Please, A Kappa Viewpoint?, A BGLO Viewpoint?

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by MadeNupe8
Prettygirl03 Do your research on A phi A. The only thing Greek about A PHI A is their letters. I'm not saying that because I am a Kappa. You can go on the internet and find that out. Like I said before because obviously we are not reading (Something a lot of black folk don't do). I never wanted to be anything else. Before I even went to college I asked myself how do you know where you are in life if you have never achieved anything. What does everyone use as a scale to find out where they are in life. THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS. Q's believe in perservering. You can do that all your life and never achieve what your perservering in and pretty you know that. I went to college and came across an organization that I wanted to be a part of and they were even suspended at the time. There were no Kappa's nor Kappa activity on my yard Since 92. It was strictly the organizations principles and purpose that I decided to pursue it. It coincided with what I had already believed in and promoting before I went to college. Look how Q's act and look how Kappa's act. We are naturally smooth and generous. We don't hop around and bark like dogs. Majority, if not all of A PHI A's founders defied what true men are. Kappa Alpha Psi, yes is just a fraternity, but the men that uphold and carry on the principles of Kappa is so much more. Like I said before Kappa is not a attribute, but a lifestyle. Kappa's are chosen in the womb, not at interest meetings. I really have a lack of respect for AKA's who are taken these large lines of 90 and 80 people. Is all about money(numbers)? or true sisterhood?

Oh My. All Ques do is hop around and bark? APhiA's Founders defied what true men are? Yet Kappas are smooth and generous. Smooth like in shimmying and holding up mirrors? What a joke!

There was no reason to go there about the AKAs and I am sure you include Delta with that. So don't respect us. Very honestly that is better for us since you also don't respect HBCUs and any org founded on one. Therefore, having your respect would not be a good thing.

BTW, since the only thing greek about A PHI A is their letters, please enlighten us on what makes the rest of us greek. Or maybe only Kappa is.

[preciousjeni]

I am just at this thread...

[msn4med1975]

I really was trying to stay out of this discussion because on some levels we'll always disagree with one another on topics like this but I am interested in your answers to these questions. Answer them however you like or if you like but needless to say I'm intrigued.

1) How exactly did the Alpha Phi Alpha founders defie what men were supposed to be? What is lacking in their organization, according to you, that some of your comments were warranted?

2) Without being intimately involved with an organization is commenting on public aspects of the organization warranted (ie stating the brothers of Omega Psi Phi would persevere but may not arrive or all they do is hop around and bark).

3) Why is it you can't give respect to women who either brought in the line or are on the line that is larger than you would like? And what reason do you have to question their sisterhood? (Just wondering because while yes it could be about money to someone somewhere, there may be a justified reason for the large line--ie 600 women showed up to rush they took the 60 most qualified or about 10 percent of those in attendance)

4) Was there any particular reason why you ignored the men of Phi Beta Sigma or Iota Phi Theta in your discussion?

5) Isn't BGLO life big enough to welcome all those that would work for their organization and respect it?

6) Is being "made" so important in the Kappa realm, according you, that all of these hazing reports and subsequent suspensions are just to be expected?

[treblk]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
I am just at this thread...

Girl you and me both, but the wonderful thing about this is that we are all entitled to our own opinions about our own org or everyone's org. We all don't have to understand or agree to it, but it's interesting to read.

carry on

[20PearlGirl]

Originally posted by MadeNupe8
Prettygirl03 Do your research on A phi A. The only thing Greek about A PHI A is their letters. I'm not saying that because I am a Kappa. You can go on the internet and find that out. Like I said before because obviously we are not reading (Something a lot of black folk don't do). I never wanted to be anything else. Before I even went to college I asked myself how do you know where you are in life if you have never achieved anything. What does everyone use as a scale to find out where they are in life. THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS. Q's believe in perservering. You can do that all your life and never achieve what your perservering in and pretty you know that. I went to college and came across an organization that I wanted to be a part of and they were even suspended at the time. There were no Kappa's nor Kappa activity on my yard Since 92. It was strictly the organizations principles and purpose that I decided to pursue it. It coincided with what I had already believed in and promoting before I went to college. Look how Q's act and look how Kappa's act. We are naturally smooth and generous. We don't hop around and bark like dogs. Majority, if not all of A PHI A's founders defied what true men are. Kappa Alpha Psi, yes is just a fraternity, but the men that uphold and carry on the principles of Kappa is so much more. Like I said before Kappa is not a attribute, but a lifestyle. Kappa's are chosen in the womb, not at interest meetings. I really have a lack of respect for AKA's who are taken these large lines of 90 and 80 people. Is all about money(numbers)? or true sisterhood?

MadeNupe8,

I am reading your post and you sound very bitter and ignorant. Every member of a BGLO, and every aspirant has personal reasons why they chose the org's that they did, but for you to berate other org's so blatantly on a public message board is childish to say the least. You, Clarence Thomas, Condolezza Brown Rice...need I say more? Why did you become a member of a BGLO in the first place?

[PrettyGirl03]

Originally posted by MadeNupe8
Prettygirl03 Do your research on A phi A. The only thing Greek about A PHI A is their letters. I'm not saying that because I am a Kappa. You can go on the internet and find that out. Like I said before because obviously we are not reading (Something a lot of black folk don't do). I never wanted to be anything else. Before I even went to college I asked myself how do you know where you are in life if you have never achieved anything. What does everyone use as a scale to find out where they are in life. THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS. Q's believe in perservering. You can do that all your life and never achieve what your perservering in and pretty you know that. I went to college and came across an organization that I wanted to be a part of and they were even suspended at the time. There were no Kappa's nor Kappa activity on my yard Since 92. It was strictly the organizations principles and purpose that I decided to pursue it. It coincided with what I had already believed in and promoting before I went to college. Look how Q's act and look how Kappa's act. We are naturally smooth and generous. We don't hop around and bark like dogs. Majority, if not all of A PHI A's founders defied what true men are. Kappa Alpha Psi, yes is just a fraternity, but the men that uphold and carry on the principles of Kappa is so much more. Like I said before Kappa is not a attribute, but a lifestyle. Kappa's are chosen in the womb, not at interest meetings. I really have a lack of respect for AKA's who are taken these large lines of 90 and 80 people. Is all about money(numbers)? or true sisterhood?

So basically the Alphas were smart in understanding that "black" and "greeK' is rather oxymoronic. lol

How Ques act is an image. Kappas are known to be rather "whorish" in my area, and that is nothing to be proud of. Fraternities and Sororities are majority SOCIAL organizations. What did you expect? However if I based those outer perceptions of what some individuals present, on the organization, I would be an idiot.

The men that carry out the duties of Kappa, are JUST men. There is nothing spectacular about them. Their founding of an organization or participation in it, won't get them into heaven. They started a social fraternity for black men; there's nothing new about that.

Kappas are chosen at an interest meeting. God didn't deem you a Kappa man in the womb. If your organization never existed, where would you be?

I have a lack of respect for people running around playing up a sorority or fraternity for more than what it is.

[PrettyGirl03]

Originally posted by MadeNupe8
If you look at me as if I am speaking for all black people, thanks, but that's not what I am doing. I am saying what is real and what people are scared to say. I am not the only who feels this way Greek and Non-Greek. I am just someone bold enough to say it on a message board or in someone's face, but not with a nasty attitude or harsh feelings.

When you generalize your statements by saying blacks, and not using the appropriate qualifier, then expect one to think you are speaking for all blacks. Reality is in the eye of the beholder. It's relative and subjective based upon who's speaking on it.

I thought you were someone who was just ignorant (that means uninformed) enough to say it. However, I'm very glad that the Nupes I've come into contact with, and others, don't hold your same viewpoint. Otherwise your organization may not have perpetuated beyond Alpha Kappa Nu.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by PrettyGirl03
When you generalize your statements by saying blacks, and not using the appropriate qualifier, then expect one to think you are speaking for all blacks. Reality is in the eye of the beholder. It's relative and subjective based upon who's speaking on it.

I thought you were someone who was just ignorant (that means uninformed) enough to say it. However, I'm very glad that the Nupes I've come into contact with, and others, don't hold your same viewpoint. Otherwise your organization may not have perpetuated beyond Alpha Kappa Nu.

I get confused about that--was it Alpha Kappa Nu or Kappa Alpha Nu? MadeNupe, want to enlighten up please?

To the rest of y'all--how come you left me and Pretty in here so long by ourselves with him????

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by 20PearlGirl
MadeNupe8,

I am reading your post and you sound very bitter and ignorant.

You took the words out of my mouth. His comments are baseless and poorly articulated. And there was no need to compare Kappa to any other organization, it should be able to stand alone! It's best that Sigma and Iota weren't included in this conversation.

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by ladygreek

To the rest of y'all--how come you left me and Pretty in here so long by ourselves with him????

We knew ya'll could handle it! But seriously, I finally took the time to read this madness.

[Senusret I]

Two comments:

1) I HOPE he meant "DEFINED" and not "DEFIED."

2) Your mama didn't tell you 'bout A Phi A??????


LOLOLOL pay me no attention

[abaici]

Originally posted by ladygreek
To the rest of y'all--how come you left me and Pretty in here so long by ourselves with him????

Well, after his disparaging comment about HBCU's, I had to step away from the keyboard.

[Toujours_Jolie]

Originally posted by MadeNupe8
I made it clear as possible. I can't understand why the blacks on Howards campus tried to seperate themselves from each other by making such organizatitons. All you had to do was ralley up the students. Instead they formed groups. Kept as a secret society. I mean that was nothing new. Blacks been doing it for years and until this day we still are. I think it gives much validation to the greeks that were founded at white schools because you had to bond it was only a certain amount of blacks there. At Howard, it was a bunch of blacks it was a black school. Once again, trying to seperate themselves. The car thing, have the mindset that of a person who wants and not need. After all you did want to be a Delta you didn't need to be.

According to your logic, any chapter of Kappa Alpha Psi formed at a predominantly black institution would be following an ill-contrived standard. So...why are there chapters of Kappa Alpha Psi at HBCUs?

Men of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.: I mean no disrespect to you or your organization, and I am in no way questioning your organization's principles. I realize that MadeNupe8 speaks for himself, and I'd like him to justify his statements if he would be so kind.

[Toujours_Jolie]

Originally posted by MadeNupe8
I made it clear as possible. I can't understand why the blacks on Howards campus tried to seperate themselves from each other by making such organizatitons. All you had to do was ralley up the students. Instead they formed groups. Kept as a secret society. I mean that was nothing new. Blacks been doing it for years and until this day we still are. I think it gives much validation to the greeks that were founded at white schools because you had to bond it was only a certain amount of blacks there. At Howard, it was a bunch of blacks it was a black school. Once again, trying to seperate themselves. The car thing, have the mindset that of a person who wants and not need. After all you did want to be a Delta you didn't need to be.

According to your logic, any chapter of Kappa Alpha Psi formed at a predominantly black institution would be following an ill-contrived standard. So...why are there chapters of Kappa Alpha Psi at HBCUs?

Men of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.: I mean no disrespect to you or your organization, and I am in no way questioning your organization's principles. I realize that MadeNupe8 speaks for himself, and I'd like him to justify his statements if he would be so kind.

[NUPE4LIFE]

MadeNupe 8, brother I'm gonna have to disagree with pretty much everything you're saying. I respectfully disagree, but some of the statements you make don't make sense. Kappa's are made in womb? Is that from an old school chant or something. At the womb? What would you say to the thousands of our bruhs who are not holding up our founders' Dream? Or do you not refer to them as bruhs? Also, I would have to disagree with you telling someone else about their org. I mean I would never want to be anything else, but I have mad respect for anyone as long as they have respect me. You said so much that I'm still trying to take it all end. I need to go back and reread a few post. Remember I respectfully disagree.

Yours in the Bond,

N4L