Underground

[33girl]

Why don't you call ASA's national HQ and tell them to come up to SRU and investigate? 317-871-2920

ASA's Gamma Xi chapter at Slippery Rock was closed in fall of 1997, just to make sure there is one true fact in this thread.

[kddani]

If questioning someone who makes claims and offers no support to back them up makes me a mean girl, so be it. When I think of mean girls I think more of people who say nasty things all the time and call people names, neither of which i've done to you, but hey, whatever. All I ever asked for you to do is back up the accusations you started.

Funny how you say here that you don't know the facts, but yet in your PM you say, "Even this past thread about SRU greeks, apparently I am not the only one who feels this way, it is a FACT!" What exactly is a fact then? You haven't offered a single fact.

Trust me, i'm not losing any sleep over you.

[TSteven]

Originally posted by Amalia17
I simply asked a question a long time ago- why do these groups run underground? ASA does it, AXP does it, LXA does it, just to name a few.

The inter/national headquarters of ASA, AXP, and LXA - just to name a few - do not recognized these groups of people. Simply put, there is not a chapter of the above mentioned groups at Slippery Rock. As such, any current students claiming they are members of these GLOs, are not members.

Now as to why a group not associated with an inter/national GLO may want to claim that they are - well that's simple too. They want the prestige that goes with being associated with such fine organizations.

So we can all be clear here. ASA, AXP and LXA - to name a few - are NOT running any underground chapters at Slippery Rock.

[moe.ron]

There is no way the national/international office of those organizations would allow underground chapters. The insurance aspect alone would prevent organization to condone any underground chapters.

[33girl]

When you say "ASA does it" it seems as though you're saying ASA nationals are condoning it. Except for alums, there are no ASAs at Slippery Rock anymore. You're giving further credence to this alleged underground group by calling them by the sorority's name.

and like I said before, if this bothers you so much, you need to get on the horn with the national HQ's of these fraternities and sororities and tell them what is going on.

[kddani]

If these groups are doing the things you say they're doing, it's certainly not under the watch or permission of the national organizations, and I think your post is lacking in distinction of that. It's coming across as you saying that the national/international groups are condoning this and aiding it in going on, which is not the case. People can get letters anywhere, you don't have to provide proof of membership to order things with letters on them.

If these things are going on, then the national HQ of the groups needs to be informed.

If this greek life advisor is such a bulldog, then why hasn't she gotten rid of these groups? Why hasn't she contacted the HQ of these groups?

This is why this is hard to believe.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Amalia17
Well if such groups are not recognized yet they are still initiating members, isn't that underground?

Yes, and no inter/national organizations in their right mind would condone an underground chapter. They are a liability to the national organizatins and other chapters in the country.

[Amalia17]

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[kddani]

Originally posted by Amalia17
It is not my business to try to take down every single unauthorized greek letter wearing group. That would take up too much time and energy, and frankly, I dont really care to. People pretending to be members of a certain fraternity or sorority effects me in no way shape or form. Let them keep pretending what do I care?

Well obviously you care enough about what the greeks are doing at your school to make posts and start threads about it and bitch about them. So either do something proactive about it and contact the proper people or quityerbitchin. I find it hard to believe that you don't care given what you've said on here

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Amalia17
Let them keep pretending what do I care?

If you don't care, why are you so defensive about not naming them? Why even start a discussion on a topic that you do not care about?

[shadokat]

Amalia is using "underground" as saying "unrecognized but still operating in some form". This happens ALL THE TIME at Bloomsburg. Fraternities have been kicked off campus for years, and still exist, still pledge new members, and all that jazz. The only things they don't do are participate in campus events. Our NPC tried to pass a rule saying that no recognized fraternities or sororities would mix with the unrecognized groups, and guess what? The SORORITIES said no...not all of them, but many.

As for ASA operating unrecognized at SRU, it happens. Call ASA's HQs and tell them if you're so bothered. 33girl gave you the number. I know one school where there is no DPhiE chapter, but rumors have circulated for years that one exists. Without national/international recognition, these "unrecognized" groups are just clubs with greek letters that are the same as mine.

The only groups that I know that came after an unrecognized at Bloomsburg was Pi Kappa Phi and Acacia, when both were booted from campus and continued to use their letters. They sent them cease and desist letters, but not much else after that.

Amalia, my question is, why does it bother you so much? I ask that not sarcastically, but honestly.

[naraht]

I understand why most of us care, because we feel that underground chapters are a legal and thus financial threat to our organizations.

I have been *personally* involved in several efforts to get schools to stop listing themselves as having a chapter of our fraternity at the school although the National Organization has declared them inactive. I have also been involved in an effort to publish notices in the campus newspaper at one school informing the entire campus that there is no longer a recognized colony of our fraternity at the campus and that any activities they do are in direct opposition to the desires of the National Fraternity.

YiLFS
Randolph Finder

[kddani]

Originally posted by naraht
I understand why most of us care, because we feel that underground chapters are a legal and thus financial threat to our organizations.

Of course, that's why most of us care, I very much agree. But we all seem to be questioning why the OP cares so much, being that she's not involved in the organizations in question in any way shape or form, nor is she involved in an organization that could be confused with them.

And being that she does care, why wouldn't she do anything about them.

[Amalia17]

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[kddani]

Originally posted by Amalia17
It doesn't bother me. Not a bit. I was just curious if this was a trend at other state or other schools.

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