A white Chingy??

[ZZ-kai-]

Bring it, tough guy.

[thermobryan]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
The reason why "cracker," "white trash," etc. are used when the n-word is not is because the majority of white Americans are not offended by "cracker," or if they are, they don't make their offense known. If that happened, "cracker" would be off the air almost immediately.

True, they don't make it known, but should you have to complain about everything all the time. But the simple fact that most (not all) people dont feel that its wrong calling a white person a racial derogitory remark, and calling any other race an equal remark is unexcuseable. Take an example, if you saw that a group of white people were complaining about the words "cracker" and "honkey" etc were being used on television and they were protesting then most people would think they're crazy, right or wrong? The simple fact is that there is a double standard, and god damn it dont say im racist here. Whites can be trashed to no ends of the earth, its becoming as if theyre a joke topic now. But to make fun of a minority is a crime. Sorry, but I get offended if I'm called a cracker or white trash, because its a derogitory remark. Yes there are worse things you can call me, but putting me down isn't really high on my list of things to tolerate.

Whether the people complain about it or not, people advocating racial harmony and rights should see every side of the table. Do you think that calling white people crackers and honkeys is really helping race relations?

[abaici]

WHY, Blackface??? Can someone please answer that question for me? Break it down to the least common denominator.

Even if a Black person wants to dress up as Chingy, they may not be the same coloring. Does, that Black man darken or lighten himself?...um, no.

Go as Chingy...wear the clothes. If someone asks who you are, say, "I'm Chingy" (Most people ask what/who you are at costume parties anyway).

Otherwise, go as Eminem or Vanilla Ice if you do not want people to ask who you are.


**I refuse to address the point of a "Go as your fav. rapper party"**

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by thermobryan
True, they don't make it known, but should you have to complain about everything all the time. But the simple fact that most (not all) people dont feel that its wrong calling a white person a racial derogitory remark, and calling any other race an equal remark is unexcuseable. Take an example, if you saw that a group of white people were complaining about the words "cracker" and "honkey" etc were being used on television and they were protesting then most people would think they're crazy, right or wrong? The simple fact is that there is a double standard, and god damn it dont say im racist here. Whites can be trashed to no ends of the earth, its becoming as if theyre a joke topic now. But to make fun of a minority is a crime. Sorry, but I get offended if I'm called a cracker or white trash, because its a derogitory remark. Yes there are worse things you can call me, but putting me down isn't really high on my list of things to tolerate.

Whether the people complain about it or not, people advocating racial harmony and rights should see every side of the table. Do you think that calling white people crackers and honkeys is really helping race relations?

I think you are generalizing WAYYYYYY too much. A comedian does not reflect the views of an ENTIRE group of people.

Anyway if you are offended, then PLEASE let that person, TV stations, radio, etc. know about it! And (surprise, surprise) I highly doubt most folks would think you're crazy. You may be surprised to discover that A LOT of minorities would agree with you (since we know exactly what you're feeling).

Shoot, until this thread, I didn't know what the heck "gringo" was or meant much less that it was a derrogatory term for whites. After reading this thread, I did rememeber that word before. There was a picture in Glamour magazine with a celebrity wearing a T-Shirt with the word across the chest (It was the girl that does the voice of Kim Possible - I can't think of her name). Never would have guess that it was something offensive. I wonder does she know?

Ok, I'm babbling.....

[ZZ-kai-]

Here, here! What he said!

Originally posted by thermobryan
True, they don't make it known, but should you have to complain about everything all the time. But the simple fact that most (not all) people dont feel that its wrong calling a white person a racial derogitory remark, and calling any other race an equal remark is unexcuseable. Take an example, if you saw that a group of white people were complaining about the words "cracker" and "honkey" etc were being used on television and they were protesting then most people would think they're crazy, right or wrong? The simple fact is that there is a double standard, and god damn it dont say im racist here. Whites can be trashed to no ends of the earth, its becoming as if theyre a joke topic now. But to make fun of a minority is a crime. Sorry, but I get offended if I'm called a cracker or white trash, because its a derogitory remark. Yes there are worse things you can call me, but putting me down isn't really high on my list of things to tolerate.

Whether the people complain about it or not, people advocating racial harmony and rights should see every side of the table. Do you think that calling white people crackers and honkeys is really helping race relations?

[DeltAlum]

No baiting.

Nobody's calling anyone out.

Watch the expletives.

This is a debate, not a fight.

Go to the other threads if you want the latter.

You know who you are.

[PM_Mama00]

I, as well as thousands of people (I ain't gona lie, I'm assuming) are offended by fat suits and the words fat ass and other words demeaning to fat people. We get offended everyday. We've been offended for a long time.

I am Italian. I don't like people calling me a Dago, or Wop, or asking if my family is in the mafia, or being told "you're not white".

I don't like non-whites calling whites "cracka" or "honky". I was watching I love the 80s and they talked about how on Miami Vice what's his name always called Don Johnson "cracka". That offends me.

I'm also offended that two young men made a mistake that alot of people could have made and they tried to fix it and apologized to no end and are still being threatened and what not. GET OVER IT. Not everyone knows the history of blackface. Hell I've been on these boards for a few years and have taken on the nickname, unwillingly as the racist bitch. I STILL don't know the history of blackface. I had a Pursuasion Speech class in which all we talked about the whole semester was civil rights protests. Never learned abotu black face and every little thing that is offensive. Now I know it's offensive, so ok. But alot of people don't know that it is offensive.

What do you expect teachers to do? Teach every damn thing that is offensive to people? Students would be in school for a lifetime.

And NOOOOOOOO I'm not racist. Give it up.

[KSig RC]

An interesting anecdote:

Jackie Robinson actually had many try-outs with major league teams before he was signed by the Dodgers - one of the first was with the Boston Red Sox. He, along with the immortal Josh Gibson and a few other players, worked through a full skills workout in Fenway, decidedly out-performing the white AAA players running through the drills with them. As they left the field, a man yelled from the box seats behind home plate, "Great workout, but let's get those niggers off the field."


That man? Purportedly Tom Yawkey, famed Red Sox owner and philanthropist.

Now, the point is not to deride Tom Yawkey, nor to excuse his behavior as being a 'reflection of his time' or whatever - instead, I'd like to ask you this question:

You think an analogous situation ever arose with regard to white people? Did the word "cracka" or any other such nonsense ever come up in this sort of situation?

There's no sort of history behind these supposed white racial slurs. Your views are implicitly flawed by ignoring this fact.

FACT!

Originally posted by thermobryan
True, they don't make it known, but should you have to complain about everything all the time. But the simple fact that most (not all) people dont feel that its wrong calling a white person a racial derogitory remark, and calling any other race an equal remark is unexcuseable. Take an example, if you saw that a group of white people were complaining about the words "cracker" and "honkey" etc were being used on television and they were protesting then most people would think they're crazy, right or wrong? The simple fact is that there is a double standard, and god damn it dont say im racist here. Whites can be trashed to no ends of the earth, its becoming as if theyre a joke topic now. But to make fun of a minority is a crime. Sorry, but I get offended if I'm called a cracker or white trash, because its a derogitory remark. Yes there are worse things you can call me, but putting me down isn't really high on my list of things to tolerate.

Whether the people complain about it or not, people advocating racial harmony and rights should see every side of the table. Do you think that calling white people crackers and honkeys is really helping race relations?

[abaici]

Well, these incidents are occurring with alarming frequency. A number of these incidents have been covered in nationally. I would hope that a lightbulb would have turned on in people's head..."Blackface is offensive"

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
I STILL don't know the history of blackface.

Well, you can correct that. After someone tells you something, you can no longer feign ignorance.

[thermobryan]

Originally posted by KSig RC
An interesting anecdote:



You think an analogous situation ever arose with regard to white people? Did the word "cracka" or any other such nonsense ever come up in this sort of situation?

There's no sort of history behind these supposed white racial slurs. Your views are implicitly flawed by ignoring this fact.

FACT!

How do you know? For a word to be used in the general public there has to be some sort of history behind it, and all it sounds like is that youre trying to justify using derogitory remarks towards white people since there is supposedly no history behind them, does that still make it right?

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by KSig RC


There's no sort of history behind these supposed white racial slurs. Your views are implicitly flawed by ignoring this fact.

FACT!

Exactly.

Let's get married.

The bottom line: there can't be a "double standard" when you're comparing two totally different situations.


Side note: As a white woman, I don't give a flying bleep if somebody of another race calls me a cracker because guess what? The fact that their racism is going to affect me significantly in any way is slim. Most non-whites in America don't have that luxury if somebody uses a racial slur against them, and it's a reminder that racism against them is still a part of their daily existence.

No, I don't approve of every aspect of this situation . . . for example, I think calling these guys up and threatening to beat them up is hardly an effective way to go about changing things. But on the other hand, it was their own stupidity that got them into this mess. So I'm not too inclined to feel sorry for them.

Originally posted by PM_Mama00


I STILL don't know the history of blackface. I had a Pursuasion Speech class in which all we talked about the whole semester was civil rights protests. Never learned abotu black face and every little thing that is offensive. Now I know it's offensive, so ok. But alot of people don't know that it is offensive.

What do you expect teachers to do? Teach every damn thing that is offensive to people? Students would be in school for a lifetime.

THIS is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not the school's responsibility to educate you on every little thing that might be offensive. It's your own damn responsibility.

Seeing that you've been on GC, you've read threads on blackface, you've even contributed your opinion to threads on blackface . . . but you admit you don't even understand the history behind it? Yet blame your teachers for your own ignorance? Despite the fact that you've been exposed to it, and apparently formed an opinion on it despite not researching it whatsoever? WTF?

Seriously, I give up. I don't understand isht like that at all and I kind of doubt that I ever will.

[Glitter650]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Exactly.

Let's get married.

The bottom line: there can't be a "double standard" when you're comparing two totally different situations.


Side note: As a white woman, I don't give a flying bleep if somebody of another race calls me a cracker because guess what? The fact that their racism is going to affect me significantly in any way is slim. Most non-whites in America don't have that luxury if somebody uses a racial slur against them, and it's a reminder that racism against them is still a part of their daily existence.

No, I don't approve of every aspect of this situation . . . for example, I think calling these guys up and threatening to beat them up is hardly an effective way to go about changing things. But on the other hand, it was their own stupidity that got them into this mess. So I'm not too inclined to feel sorry for them.



THIS is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not the school's responsibility to educate you on every little thing that might be offensive. It's your own damn responsibility.

Seeing that you've been on GC, you've read threads on blackface, you've even contributed your opinion to threads on blackface . . . but you admit you don't even understand the history behind it? Yet blame your teachers for your own ignorance? Despite the fact that you've been exposed to it, and apparently formed an opinion on it despite not researching it whatsoever? WTF?

Seriously, I give up. I don't understand isht like that at all and I kind of doubt that I ever will.

I agree... I don't believe Sugar and Spice was saying that you need to read the book on the history of the N word or research things...or expect the school to teach you.. (because they aren't going to) she's just saying to stop and think before you say/do something, no I don't think it's acceptable for racial slurs to be used against whites either, however I agree with S&S here that if more people actually saw cracker as an insult it would be off the airwaves in a heart beat (it's mainly white men who rule the airwaves) most people I know could care less if someone called them a cracker and see it as kind of a joke word, although all may not... my suggestion is if it offends you say something or no one will ever know and as Elle Woods says if you don't say anything, you'll be in for a really bad hair cut.
I'm sorry but I don't see how anyone can not see that Blackface is offensive. If you were overweight, and some skinny guy padded himself up in some crazy funny exaggerated looking way (which is what blackface looks like, exaggerated and "funny") and said that he was being you for the mixer woudln't you be offended ?

[ZZ-kai-]

I don't get it. Why does something have to have history tied to it to be offensive? Just because whites were not booted out of Major Leagues, or Universities, or bus routes and called crackers, doesn't make it any less offensive.

There is a double-standard, realize that.

Also, just because a few incidents made CNN and MSNBC doesn't mean that the history behind blackface is being made any more public. If these kids were not greek, chances are 100 times more likely that they didn't get wind of the other events taht took place (IE, Auburn)

Lastly, quit blaming people for 'not knowing history' about blackface. Just because someone read about it on this board, doesn't make them a historian on this fact.

FACT!

Originally posted by KSig RC
An interesting anecdote:

......You think an analogous situation ever arose with regard to white people? Did the word "cracka" or any other such nonsense ever come up in this sort of situation?

There's no sort of history behind these supposed white racial slurs. Your views are implicitly flawed by ignoring this fact.

FACT!

[Lady Pi Phi]

Honestly, I don't think you have to know the entire history behind blackface to know it's offensive. Although it would be nice.

Have you ever watched old movie with people dressed up in balck face? Did you notice they were the butt of jokes? If you had, you would realize that they weren'tn imitating balck people, they were making fun of them. Which is how you would know it would be offensive today. It doesn't require a complete history lesson, it requires a little common sense.

[DeltaSigStan]

You can't compare our plight with that of ANY race Phyllis. One day, God willing, I'll be thin...but I can't change the color of my skin.

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
I, as well as thousands of people (I ain't gona lie, I'm assuming) are offended by fat suits and the words fat ass and other words demeaning to fat people. We get offended everyday. We've been offended for a long time.
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