Southern Illinois U. charges Pi Kappa Alpha amid drowning of pledge

[OtterXO]

crzychx,
I totally agree that this forum consists of a lot of negative things about Greek life. However, how exactly are the members of Pike supposed to clarify a rumor that you heard from a friend about the national orgs history of hazing? It wasn't a specific incident nor did you have any evidence to support that kind of claim. This isn't really the place to address a random rumor you may have heard. If you have a question about their policy on hazing maybe phone the national headquarters or look at the national website. My point only was that if the same thing had happened in reference to your organization I think you would have been just as irritated. (hence my reference to the wonderful Golden Rule).
It isn't ignorance to ask for respect for all Greek organizations, it is a courtesy that we should all give each other.

eta: this is why I hate getting involved in this stuff

[HPU PIKE]

Originally posted by OtterXO
crzychx,
I totally agree that this forum consists of a lot of negative things about Greek life. However, how exactly are the members of Pike supposed to clarify a rumor that you heard from a friend about the national orgs history of hazing? It wasn't a specific incident nor did you have any evidence to support that kind of claim. This isn't really the place to address a random rumor you may have heard. If you have a question about their policy on hazing maybe phone the national headquarters or look at the national website. My point only was that if the same thing had happened in reference to your organization I think you would have been just as irritated. (hence my reference to the wonderful Golden Rule).
It isn't ignorance to ask for respect for all Greek organizations, it is a courtesy that we should all give each other.

Just to reitterate (sp?), it's not that any org's members are denying that their chapters screw up and are simply "whining" about the incidents being made pubic, but as Greeks, we should have the common courtesy to not post RUMORS or 2nd hand info that put the integrity of an entire org. in jeopardy. This courtesy is especially important considering the number of potential GCers who are not yet members of the Greek community, or who may be the parents of an individual who desires to go Greek. Or more simply put by OtterXO, just stick to the golden rule!

[Tom Earp]

HPU PIKE, no that really is not the problen! It has been stated and "sometimes" Proved by either the School or The National for what has happened and the Charter is taken.

It has been placed on many other web sites as fact. If it happened, it happened. Do we all suffer from it yes! Do we all take joy in another Greek Organization getting in trouble, NO!

Are they as any chapter going to whine, we are maligned, well of course. But if The Chapter is gone, where does that help your Fratenity or mine when they are gone?

[HPU PIKE]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
But if The Chapter is gone, where does that help your Fratenity or mine when they are gone?

Thank you for illustrating my point. My argument is simple. I refuse to allow people to post rumors or 2nd hand info without questioning not only their reasoning for the post, but whether or not they can back the rumors up. As far as how a chapter which is gone helping our fraternities, you're exactly right, they don't. So why allow others to post ridiculous assumptions (such as the afore mentioned in my previous posts) that only serve as a hinderance to the effort (hopefully) of all Greeks to dispell the myths about hazing and so forth. Tom, we might just have to agree to disagree on this issue.

[_Lisa_]

Whoa whoa whoa-check this out:

Originally posted by crzychx
My best friend from high school is a PiKA & he has told me in the past that the fraternity has a long history of hazing, not just within one chapter but nationally. This may be why they are so quick to judge...?

Originally posted by KEPike
Uhh, no...the International Fraternity does not have a long history of hazing. In fact, Pi Kappa Alpha was the first fraternity to abolish hazing way back in like 1870 or something.

I brought these particular posts back up because after KEPike originally stated that the rumor I heard wasn't true I haven't pushed the issue any further. I haven't accused him of lying, I haven't posted any more rumors, in fact-I've barely posted anything since (with the exception of responding to questions that I was asked in reference to the rumor I heard.) And its not like I've insisted what I heard was true, it was a rumor that I asked about & as soon as someone said it wasn't true I let it go.

If you don't want to have these kinds of conversations I'd suggest not visiting this particular forum that is riddled with hazing incidents/deaths/etc. This is where a lot of facts & rumors & lies & misunderstandings about organizations are posted.

As far as my organization goes, of course I'd want to help dispel any rumors people have heard, but if I don't know of the rumors I wouldn't know to make sure to tell them the truth. Its really best for people to post their misunderstandings so that hopefully someone will set them straight. God knows how many other people had heard the same rumor I did & because I'm not a wimp I went ahead & posted about it & now they, like me, understand that its not true.

[SGill4613]

Hey guys. Lets remember that this is a forum on Hazing. Its not meant to glorify any particular fraternity. Lambda Chi Alpha has been in its share of hot water too. Not very recently, but it has had its share in the past.

Also a reminder to the Pikes. We should all hate hazing incidents like this. I know if it happened to a chapter in my fraternity, appropriate actions need to be take. Its important to remember that not everyone lives your ritual and subscribes to anti-hazing rules as everyone else. They should never just be defended because they are in the same fraternity as you. It seems to me that most of the people on this site are outstanding members of their chapters. Don't automatically think all members are as good as you are.

[HPU PIKE]

Originally posted by SGill4613
Also a reminder to the Pikes. We should all hate hazing incidents like this. I know if it happened to a chapter in my fraternity, appropriate actions need to be take. Its important to remember that not everyone lives your ritual and subscribes to anti-hazing rules as everyone else. They should never just be defended because they are in the same fraternity as you. It seems to me that most of the people on this site are outstanding members of their chapters. Don't automatically think all members are as good as you are.

SGill4613, I understand that not all members are as good as I am. However, SHOULDN'T I be the first one to stand up in their defense BECAUSE they are in the same fraternity as me? I mean, they are my Brothers after all and just because they may have screwed up doesn't lessen their status as a Brother. Not to say that people don't screw up, but there is a difference between having their f#ck up made public and turning their f#ck up into a broad generalization about the ENTIRE fraternity.

[_Lisa_]

Originally posted by crzychx
Its really best for people to post their misunderstandings so that hopefully someone will set them straight. God knows how many other people had heard the same rumor I did & because I'm not a wimp I went ahead & posted about it & now they, like me, understand that its not true.