Poor people can't have children

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Taualumna
Good polish is important later in life, when a child grows up and enters the real world. A child could have had all the love he/she could get, but that love doesn't prepare them for the real world, where "knowing what to do" and "how to do it" is very important. Why else do they have etiquette consultants present seminars in the workplace and to graduating seniors in universities (well, they did at my school, anyway)? They didn't have to do that in the past, because kids WERE polished.

For someone who claims to value the religous environment that the parents bring, you seem to view parenting as some kind of vocational school. That is very, very odd. There is nothing more important than love. You can compensate for a lack of polish later in life. Good luck compensating for unloving parents. I also challange you to find any religion that places polish, as a prioruty, over love.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Taualumna
Good polish is important later in life, when a child grows up and enters the real world. A child could have had all the love he/she could get, but that love doesn't prepare them for the real world, where "knowing what to do" and "how to do it" is very important. Why else do they have etiquette consultants present seminars in the workplace and to graduating seniors in universities (well, they did at my school, anyway)? They didn't have to do that in the past, because kids WERE polished.

I don't think picking your grain rice by rice will get you anything but being laughed at in the business world. I am not sure what on earth your conception of a lady is, but I think you just need to find a nice man and get some buns in your oven, because you aren't prepared for business at all. You can't be your idea of a lady in business and be successful. Yes, you can still be feminine and polite, but I'll be damned if I'll get anywhere in my field by courtesying and eating my rice grain by grain.

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I don't think picking your grain rice by rice will get you anything but being laughed at in the business world. I am not sure what on earth your conception of a lady is, but I think you just need to find a nice man and get some buns in your oven, because you aren't prepared for business at all. You can't be your idea of a lady in business and be successful. Yes, you can still be feminine and polite, but I'll be damned if I'll get anywhere in my field by courtesying and eating my rice grain by grain.

Actually, I don't intend to work very long. I intend to marry as soon as I find a decent man (or have my parents find one for me). As for my great grandmother, I only used her as I wanted to show that "good polish" had nothing to do with western ideals. Her "lady-like" behaviour is a product of how girls were supposed to behave in the early 20th century.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Taualumna
Actually, I don't intend to work very long. I intend to marry as soon as I find a decent man (or have my parents find one for me). As for my great grandmother, I only used her as I wanted to show that "good polish" had nothing to do with western ideals. Her "lady-like" behaviour is a product of how girls were supposed to behave in the early 20th century.

And there's a lot of other things girls were supposed to do then, like not vote and be submissive and not enjoy sex. Do you want to go back to that?

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
And there's a lot of other things girls were supposed to do then, like not vote and be submissive and not enjoy sex. Do you want to go back to that?

What if I said yes (not that I necessarily will)?

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
And there's a lot of other things girls were supposed to do then, like not vote and be submissive and not enjoy sex. Do you want to go back to that?

I was thinking the same thing. It's 2004. Women are liberated...we've burned our bras!!!

We have a lot more choices and because you've chosen a life that was forced on women in the early 20th century. But guess what you HAVE THAT CHOICE because of many women who wanted something more fought for us to have those choices.
Do you think suffregettes were any less refined because they wanted the freedom to vote and hold jobs, etc, etc.

Our founders and early members of our organizations were these free thinking women and when we talk about them we hold them in the highest respect and I'm very sure they were very refined and polished.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by Taualumna
What if I said yes?

We'll throw rocks at you.

But, seriously...why would you want to go back? How would this benefit YOU?

This thread is getting more and more disturbing.

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
And there's a lot of other things girls were supposed to do then, like not vote and be submissive and not enjoy sex. Do you want to go back to that?

LOL! I think you just defined her version of what "Polished" is Back to eating your rice, GP!!

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by Dionysus
We'll throw rocks at you.

But, seriously...why would you want to go back? How would this benefit YOU?

This thread is getting more and more disturbing.

Ummm, just because I CHOOSE to have that lifestyle doesn't mean that I'm forcing other women to do the same. I'm stating what I believe, and I should have the right to do that.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by AXO Alum
LOL! I think you just defined her version of what "Polished" is Back to eating your rice, GP!!

Dude, I'm eating my pizza rolls, with no utensils because I'm too lazy to do my dishes. Luckily I'm studying in two fields that don't require polish.

I don't think that there is anything wrong with some women wanting to not have any purpose in life other to have children, it's just a choice I could never make. I do, however, think there is something wrong with inferring that women who choose to be working mothers, or not be mothers at all, are bad people, and that those people who are middle-class or sexually promiscuos, are not polished.

Class is something you are born with. Some have it, some don't. And some are making it painfully obvious via this thread which side of that line they fall on...

Either that, or a time machine from the 19th century actually worked.

[Rudey]

None of what she says has anything to do with this case, so let's go back to talking about the actual news story.

-Rudey
--I don't care about feminism and this isn't a thread about it.

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
I was thinking the same thing. It's 2004. Women are liberated...we've burned our bras!!!

Well -- yeah, except the DD's over here needed the support, so I had to dig in the ashes to get mine back

We have a lot more choices and because you've chosen a life that was forced on women in the early 20th century. But guess what you HAVE THAT CHOICE because of many women who wanted something more fought for us to have those choices.

Agreed 110% -- and it wasn't just women that fought for us to have more -- wow, even some MEN thought that women deserved better, and helped out! The shame of it all.... Of course they prolly weren't the kind of men that polished women of the day were looking for

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by Taualumna
Ummm, just because I CHOOSE to have that lifestyle doesn't mean that I'm forcing other women to do the same. I'm stating what I believe, and I should have the right to do that.

You have every right to live your life the way you want, even if it makes no sense to most of us. Maybe you'll find a "decent" man and maybe you won't. Maybe he'll resent that you expect him to provide for you. Maybe he'll cheat on you and you'll be left with nothing because you'll have no skills other than not enjoying sex and picking at your rice. Who knows -- that's not a life I would ever choose for myself, but to me the beauty of being a woman and a feminist is that I completely support you in whatever you want to do.

The problem is that you seem to be forcing your views on others when you say that a Chinese family who may or may not be religious should not have their own child because some rich family can provide better "polish" for the kid. I'm sorry, but I don't even have or want kids, and even I know better than to think that any parent would want to give up her kid so she could live in the suburbs and ride in an SUV. That's absurd.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by valkyrie
The problem is that you seem to be forcing your views on others when you say that a Chinese family who may or may not be religious should not have their own child because some rich family can provide better "polish" for the kid. I'm sorry, but I don't even have or want kids, and even I know better than to think that any parent would want to give up her kid so she could live in the suburbs and ride in an SUV. That's absurd.

Providing polish doesn't have to do with your birthplace or wealth.

Getting back to the topic: It angers me knowing the government feels it needs to run the lives of families. It's enforcing this code of moral beliefs through the courts, the FCC, clinics and charities.

-Rudey

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by AXO Alum
Well -- yeah, except the DD's over here needed the support, so I had to dig in the ashes to get mine back

LOL!

I've never actually burned my bra, but I've always wanted to!