Oprah's On: Town Hall Meeting: Imus Controversy: Now What? - Page 3

Professor · #31 12-01-2005, 02:29 PM

http://www2.oprah.com/tows/pastshows..._menpoll.jhtml

Professor · #32 12-01-2005, 02:33 PM

he's a freak just like me and all the rest - lol. i'm just don't think i now see him as some religious leader or spiritual advisor like . . . ms. adams or shirley ceasar. i see him as an entertainer and he says jump i won't be thinking jump for jesus but get your hand up and lets set it off.

UrbanizdSkillz · #33 12-01-2005, 02:40 PM

I can't honestly say that I can take away any anointing that Kirk has. It is his trials and testimonies that, to me, make him a greater minister. I don't want someone telling me that God can and will deliver you when they haven't been through anything. I can't hold Kirk's past against him because God doesn't hold mine against me. (And if he did? Whew...)

CrimsonTide4 · #34 12-01-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by Professor
he's a freak just like me and all the rest - lol. i'm just don't think i now see him as some religious leader or spiritual advisor like . . . ms. adams or shirley ceasar. i see him as an entertainer and he says jump i won't be thinking jump for jesus but get your hand up and lets set it off.

Interesting. I just remember that no man is perfect. I never saw Kirk Franklin as perfect. Kirk's music as well as his testimony -- background and his struggles -- are instruments of ministry. His addiction to pornography is the thorn in his flesh or cross to bear that God gave to him to be a light for others.

I am sure a whoooooooooole bunch of people, men and women, watched Oprah last night and gained courage to come to grips with an addiction, be it pornography or otherwise.

I hold Kirk in the same light that I do Rev. Vashti McKenzie, Pastor Murphy, and Pastor Troy -- all pastors, 2 whose churches I currently belong to or formerly belonged to.

I was not devastated to hear about Kirk's addiction because I believe the Bible to be true when it says, "We ALL fall short of the glory of God." That verse does not say all the people who are not in ministry or sit in a pulpit or sing in the choir, lead praise and worship, etc. etc.

My mother last year set me up with a Pastor. Not an associate minister or minister of music or deacon or what not, but a PASTOR. Do you know one night we were talking and this man of God OPENLY TOLD ME that he fornicates.

I almost dropped my phone. He told me, "once we touch lips, soon we will touch hips."

I was turned off and offended outright.

So as you can see, I continue to hold Kirk Franklin in a good light. He knows what he did was wrong, but he never saw himself as totally above it -- his addiction or his hoeing. He conquered it through a lot of prayer, his wife's support, etc.

I can listen to his music now with an even greater respect and appreciation.

CrimsonTide4 · #35 12-01-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by UrbanizdSkillz
I can't honestly say that I can take away any anointing that Kirk has. It is his trials and testimonies that, to me, make him a greater minister. I don't want someone telling me that God can and will deliver you when they haven't been through anything. I can't hold Kirk's past against him because God doesn't hold mine against me. (And if he did? Whew...)

Amen!! Amen!! and Amen!!

Professor · #36 12-01-2005, 02:46 PM

I'm certainly with you on God's unmerited favor. However, Kirk has been going through this for 20 years or more. He is a man I have listened to for inspiration. His songs or praise gave me hope, joy, understanding. Now, I learn he is a sex freak. To me, I may as well consider buying a gospel cd from dirty kim - sorry, little kim.

CrimsonTide4 · #37 12-01-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Professor
I'm certainly with you on God's unmerited favor. However, Kirk has been going through this for 20 years or more. He is a man I have listened to for inspiration. His songs or praise gave me hope, joy, understanding. Now, I learn he is a sex freak. To me, I may as well consider buying a gospel cd from dirty kim - sorry, little kim.

WOW!!

What if you found out today that Shirley Caesar also suffered with an addiction to pornography?

He suffered with it because he went to his pastor who dismissed his addiction! He was never taught how to live as a Christian man. He said the men around IN THE CHURCH did it too as well as cheated on their wives. He was surrounded by hypocrites but he still wanted to live right and seek God's will.

I guess I am just seeing this differently than you.

UrbanizdSkillz · #38 12-01-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Professor
I'm certainly with you on God's unmerited favor. However, Kirk has been going through this for 20 years or more. He is a man I have listened to for inspiration. His songs or praise gave me hope, joy, understanding. Now, I learn he is a sex freak. To me, I may as well consider buying a gospel cd from dirty kim - sorry, little kim.

Being the daughter of a Minister and Gospel Artist, you'd be amazed the number of pastors you may have sat under and artists you've listened to that lead these double lives and have no conviction whatsoever about what their doing. I understand your feelings, though. Just know that Kirk is REALLY not alone. And to mention it, do you hold these same feelings about Donnie McClurkin who openly admitted to living a homosexual lifestyle prior to becoming a Gospel Superstar? What about Daryl Coley? These are both Gospel artists singing about the love of Jesus who have been delivered from their past sins.

Professor · #39 12-01-2005, 02:52 PM

he went to his pastor at 14 or 15. the man is now in his 30's.

Professor · #40 12-01-2005, 02:55 PM

clearly, you know more than i do about these matters. i was not aware donnie was gay at some point. i thought he said he was tempted but never acted. daryl coley - wow - this is news to me - tude you are susposed to keep me in the loop.

anyway, yea, i would see them the same way

QUOTE]Originally posted by UrbanizdSkillz
Being the daughter of a Minister and Gospel Artist, you'd be amazed the number of pastors you may have sat under and artists you've listened to that lead these double lives and have no conviction whatsoever about what their doing. I understand your feelings, though. Just know that Kirk is REALLY not alone. And to mention it, do you hold these same feelings about Donnie McClurkin who openly admitted to living a homosexual lifestyle prior to becoming a Gospel Superstar? What about Daryl Coley? These are both Gospel artists singing about the love of Jesus who have been delivered from their past sins. [/QUOTE]

CrimsonTide4 · #41 12-01-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Professor
clearly, you know more than i do about these matters. i was not aware donnie was gay at some point. i thought he said he was tempted but never acted. daryl coley - wow - this is news to me - tude you are susposed to keep me in the loop.

anyway, yea, i would see them the same way

So will you be getting rid of these CDs? Can I have them for free since they are pretty worthless to you?

UrbanizdSkillz · #42 12-01-2005, 03:05 PM

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So will you be getting rid of these CDs? Can I have them for free since they are pretty worthless to you?

treblk · #43 12-01-2005, 03:05 PM

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I don't see it as being a black thing, either. I suspect men of all races stash porn away.

lets not forget women too.

Professor · #44 12-01-2005, 03:08 PM

i like his old cd's - like joy - god's great joy, sweat beautiful soul saving joy . . i don't have the new stuff. i have silver and gold and the like.

CrimsonTide4 · #45 12-01-2005, 03:12 PM

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i like his old cd's - like joy - god's great joy, sweat beautiful soul saving joy . . i don't have the new stuff. i have silver and gold and the like.

Ummmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm so for real, give them to me.

ETA: This just started playing on my Launch station, but it's the Georgia Mass Choir rendition.