Delta Omega Chi of MTV fame loses recognition

[Cloud9]

Cloud9, I don't understand how you feel sugar&spice just "repeated the same sentiment"???

Aaacck, no texasprincess, I don't know if someone else already noticed this(I didn't read ahead of your post), but I wasn't referring to sugar & spice, but to the person I was originally replying to. Everything else you said, I agree with fully

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by Cloud9
Aaacck, no texasprincess, I don't know if someone else already noticed this(I didn't read ahead of your post), but I wasn't referring to sugar & spice, but to the person I was originally replying to. Everything else you said, I agree with fully

That makes more sense to me! Thanks for clearing that up.. I was a lil confused

[KillarneyRose]

Originally posted by ucsc girlie
I think people need to stop making these guys out to be some big bad bully people and understand that they are just having fun.

Yikes!

Note to self: Do not hire Matt or Casey to watch my pets

[texas*princess]

LOL Killarney!!!

[LXAAlum]

Originally posted by texas*princess
In the initial season of Fraternity Life, some of the Sigma Chi Omega pledges thought it would be fun to go to the public zoo and try to steal an animal. While they didn't succeed in stealing an animal, they did succeed in getting bad publicity for their fraternity... even though it was not a fraternity event, the fraternity name "sigma chi omega" was on pretty much every article about that incident. It wasn't "three males... " it will almost always be "three fraternity brothers of ABC.."

This made FoxNews this morning - they showed some of the excerpts from the TV show as they covered it.

Thanks to SXO and MTV for helping further damage greek reputations overall.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by LXAAlum
Thanks to SXO and MTV for helping further damage greek reputations overall.

Hey, it's great promotion for MTV's show. It's obvious from all of their "reality based" Greek shows that they don't give a damn about Greeks.

[LXAAlum]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Hey, it's great promotion for MTV's show. It's obvious from all of their "reality based" Greek shows that they don't give a damn about Greeks.

True - but let's face facts - every GLO chapter that MTV has covered for this show has closed.

Not sure that would be a good selling point for other chapters considering involving themselves with MTV. They're 0-2 already.

[AYE FEE]

June 28, 2003


Cops and Courts
Santa Cruz
Fraternity men plead innocent in koi death

Two UC Santa Cruz frat members accused of stealing and killing Midas the koi pleaded innocent to misdemeanor grand theft and malicious mischief charges Friday, court officials said.

The accused pranksters did not appear in court, rather their attorneys entered the pleas for Casey Loop and Matthew Cox. The next step is a July 11 status conference, court officials said.

Loop’s attorney is Paul Meltzer; Cox is represented by Greg Coben.

The men reportedly plucked the large reddish fish from a peaceful reflecting pond at Porter College on May 20 and then cooked Midas — also known as Goldie and Big Red — and fed the meat to pledges.

The university then banned the Delta Omega Chi fraternity, whose members were the subject of a MTV reality TV show at the time of the alleged crime.

The UCSC koi was thought to be 8 years old and worth an estimated $800. Though some koi live to be more than 50 years old, Midas was not so lucky.

The fish has been the subject of much discussion since its untimely demise — in national media, local letters to the editor, courtroom and other hallways and at the university, where poems and other memorials were erected in her memory.

The fish fatality could net the men community service to one year in County Jail.

[33girl]

Originally posted by LXAAlum
True - but let's face facts - every GLO chapter that MTV has covered for this show has closed.

Sigma Chi Omega only was put on probation - they are still recognized by the school and have not been closed. Whether DOX has truly folded is debatable - they have simply been derecognized. None of the sororities have been disciplined by the schools in any way.

[Tom Earp]

To Koi, or not To Koi that be the Question!

While one may go to a River, Creek, Grocery Store or Pond to fish, the whole point of the dispute, is that they stole a Mascot for what it is worth! Property of The School(?).

As soon as one said the purloind morsale

swimmer was worth $500.00 bigs , it is a "FELONY"!

DAH, a stupid one at that!!

If you are 18 and older with the responsibilty to go to war with a weapon that will kill or be killed then you are a Man(!) that is a far cry from being a 3-7 year old who has not had the Parental guidence to make this type of decision!

[Educated]

DOC has only operated as a 'recognized' greek organization at UCSC for 5 years. Before that, they held the exact same status they hold now. UCSC offers NOTHING to Greeks, and there is no incentive to be affiliated.

According to the UCSC Student Rulebook, they can get co-sponsored by another organization, and because of free speech, have access to ANY facilities on campus.. just like they did before. They can post flyers on campus, they can table, anything... (Limiting someone's exposure at a school known for free speech is a bitch)

The biggest tragedy here is DOC will no longer be able to say "Delta Omega Chi Fraternity at UC Santa Cruz."

Rumor has it that they didn't fight the losing of their recognition because they KNEW UCSC would find some stupid, pissant charge to release them on when the show aired, so they got the punishment out of the way early. Legally, the school can come after individual members now, instead of the organization, but UCSC has already demonstrated they will do both anyways, so DOC actually bettered their position.

Simply, DOC throws arguably the largest and best parties on campus. They run a free bar at all of their parties, and never charge. (to people 21 of course) They are the only org to promote events to non-greek students. (Booze Cruise, Formal, Party Bus) Now I'm not saying they are the best org at UCSC, but membership will never be a problem for them because ultimately they are looking to have the best time possible while making life long friends... and that appeals to a lot of people.

People get in trouble all the time at UCSC... the only difference is the nation was watching this time. Oh well.

[wishinhopin]

It isn't quite as simple as some people seem to think. Getting your recognition revoked on our campus does have serious consequences. Without formal recognition from the Student Organizations and Advising Resources Office, no group is allowed to post flyers, do tabling, do any sort of fundraiser on campus, or utilize any on campus space for events. This is really hard when we don't have a Greek row or area where people gravitate towards to learn more about Greek life. Because of a paperwork error, my sorority spent our whole first year not being able to do any of those things, and our numbers suffered because of it. And, for what it's worth, DOC really doesn't throw the biggest and best parties on campus. All of their houses are on such watch by the police that all of their parties get broken up early anyway, and I really don't consider wet t shirt contests where the prize is a jug of Winners Cup vodka to be an exciting premise for a free bar. Beyond this, DOC now has to deal with the hostility of other UCSC students- and Lord knows, once we're dedicated, all kinds of shit can go down. Our sorority gets our flyers ripped down on a daily basis just because we're Greek-imagine the consequences of a group that has invited so much animosity. Beyond this, what organization will co-sponsor them? The only viable candidate I can think of is Alpha Psi local sorority, and I don't know that they would want to risk their affiliation with UCSC to do so. It's just a big ol mess that they brought upon themselves...I don't think all of DOC should be held responsible for the actions of a few, but that's just how these things end up working out. Who do you think UCSC is more worried about alienating: one local fraternity who's contributions to school and the community are virtually nonexistent, or the entire pseudo liberal population that UCSC is so proud of? Hope ya had fun boys, it's going to be an interesting year.

PS: part of the reason why this post may sound bitter is because I was one of those people who honestly believed that DOC was comprised of respectable, fun guys. I hate it when my perceptions of people end up being wrong. My personal thoughts on them: (as quoted from Mary Poppins)
"Though we adore men individually, we agree that as group they're rather stupid"

[AYE FEE]

Originally posted by Educated

Simply, DOC throws arguably the largest and best parties on campus. They run a free bar at all of their parties, and never charge. (to people 21 of course) They are the only org to promote events to non-greek students. (Booze Cruise, Formal, Party Bus) Now I'm not saying they are the best org at UCSC, but membership will never be a problem for them because ultimately they are looking to have the best time possible while making life long friends... and that appeals to a lot of people.

Gee, what will UCSC do without open bars at fraternity parties?

And since when does throwing the best party make someone a strong Greek group? Sure it can compliment an already strong house - but one that is out supporting their campus and contributing to the community, not BBQ'ing campus icons or harassing young women.

[Educated]

Well, being unaffiliated may not give me the behind the scenes info, but the student rulebook specifically says non-affiliated organizations CAN post flyers and have access to university facilities with a co-sponsorship from a recognized organization. I read that as, if another org, say maybe Alpha Psi, co-sponsors DOC they CAN still post flyers, table, and use facilities.. Is this not true?

UCSC 40.14
"Events involving use of university properties by organizations other than registered student organizations... ... must be officially co-sponsored by a campus unit or registered student organization, in accordance with the provisions of university policies and campus regulations and procedures."

From what I hear, I University likes to toot its big horn about how they can screw greek orgs over, but because UCSC is so tolerant of free speech and wouldn't DARE stifle someones opinion they can't just say, NO MORE FOR YOU!

As for UCSC liking DOC, I'm pretty sure the people who liked them before won't let a little fishy ruin their friendship, and the people who are all pissed never liked ANY greeks before. I mean did you really see everyone who was anti-greek coming out and giving DOC a big hug if the fish thing WOULDN'T have happened? Has your sorority done anything with the DOC boys lately? Were you planning to before the fish? My point exactly.

Lastly, I go to DOC parties and I have a good time. I have been to some other greek parties that weren't as good.. just my opinion. Cops are a fact of Santa Cruz, but I can say that I have been to more DOC parties that don't get broken up than do. Can you name another greek org that thrown as many large parties over the years? I can't.

****OH, BTW.. don't go getting that high and mighty morality tone with me, Ms. "Alpha Phi"

[AYE FEE]

Originally posted by Educated
****OH, BTW.. don't go getting that high and mighty morality tone with me, Ms. "Alpha Phi"

Educated are you Greek?