Dixie Chicks vs. R. Kelly

[33girl]

Originally posted by Dionysus
And why are people still supporting Whitney...she smokes CRACKROCK.

Did you forget? Crack is cheap. Whitney makes TOO MUCH MONEY to ever smoke crack.

[CarolinaCutie]

I don't think you can even COMPARE the two... R. Kelly did something illegal. The Dixie Chicks expressed their opinion about the government... which as far as I know, is still legal, since we do live in America. Now, if whoever disagrees with the Dixie Chicks wants to boycott them, they can go right ahead and do that. But to me, their political views have nothing to do with whether or not I enjoy their music.

R. Kelly on the other hand... I would not support him by purchasing his CD or claiming to be his fan after all of this. Doesn't mean I don't KINDA like "Remix to Ignition" though...

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by CarolinaCutie
I don't think you can even COMPARE the two... R. Kelly did something illegal. The Dixie Chicks expressed their opinion about the government... which as far as I know, is still legal, since we do live in America. Now, if whoever disagrees with the Dixie Chicks wants to boycott them, they can go right ahead and do that. But to me, their political views have nothing to do with whether or not I enjoy their music.

R. Kelly on the other hand... I would not support him by purchasing his CD or claiming to be his fan after all of this. Doesn't mean I don't KINDA like "Remix to Ignition" though...

Cosigning all of the above.

[aRHOgantdeuce22]

Originally posted by 33girl
but have the Dixie Chicks ever rhymed "ignition" with "edition" and "kitchen"? I think not. Who's the real artist here?

I could be wrong, but I don't think "edition" is anywhere in the song.....

I do not (repeat DO NOT) condone or support him in his "extra curricular activities", but I am still a fan of R. Kelly's music and work as an artist. The man is talented and can be credited with writing/producing/collaborating on some of the hottest songs out now and ones that go back to the beginning of his career. I listen to the Dixie Chicks too, but not enough to comment on their music or artistry. The comments that they made were no different than those made by regular people on the street. Artists and those in the public eye do have to be aware of how people perceive them, but I think the DC thing was blown completely out of proportion. Now, what doesn't make sense to me is how no one is really "patriotic" until there's a national crisis.........

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by KSigkid
I'm surprised no one mentioned Roman Polanski - he slept with a 14 year old (maybe 13, i forgot), had to leave the US to avoid prosecution, and won an Oscar.

Now how about that?

I think that most people on this board don't have RP as a frame of popular culture reference--hence the omission. He's been out of the country for what, 25 years? It's not as if he's fallen out of the public eye entirely (at least not in film circles), I read interviews with him discussing his life in Paris well before the success of The Pianist. I think he should be a man and come over here, he will probably receive a suspended sentence, and go back to Paris and continue his life.

kddani, you may not have intended to turn this into a racial incident, but some of the people who responded to the post made blanket statements that could have been construed as thinly veiled bigotry. Before I called said respondents to task, I mentioned the inherent differences between the R Kelly controversy and the Dixie chicks thing by discussing factors which impacted the way the public viewed each incident.

What aRHOgantdeuce22 said about how how no one is really "patriotic" until there's a national crisis is absolutely true. I also imagine that there are some people on this board, if this had happened three years ago, would have been agreeing with the Dixie Chicks if they said they had been ashamed to be from Arkansas. Consistency, people!

[AlphaGamDiva]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
I think he should be a man and come over here

uh, i don't. i think the man did a horrendous act and last time i checked, we weren't questioning his manhood......we were protecting other 13 yr olds. since he's not a citizen of this country, we can ban him, thank GOD....unlike R. kelly who can apparently just go about his business (which is ridiculous, too, btw). but he is a really good example of this whole thing, i guess.......i was never a huge fan of the dixie chicks.....a lot of their stuff was over-played here, so it got old in a hurry. i never owned any of their cds in the first place, so i would be banning something i never intended to buy--pointless. i don't agree with them politically at all, and i choose to not see them as much as possible, so i'm ok with cmt not playing their stuff or whatever it is they're doing. however, if they chose to play their videos, i'm not gonna get pissie with cmt, i'm just gonna change the channel. as far as r. kelly....i dig the ignition song, but if radios banned it or whatever, and i wanna hear it that bad, i can buy it/burn it. i haven't bought his cd, i won't buy it, but i did burn the song and i'm ok with it. same thing goes for DC fans!! i think these r kelly types and polanski people are sick.....but that doesn't mean i don't enjoy their work. poe was a crack-head, too, and he wrote some amazing stuff! judge not lest ye be jugded, folks..........that's how i feel about this whole situation now, i guess. i don't have to agree with anyone, i don't have buy their shit, but i can enjoy their artistry if i want to. call it hypocritical, but i just think it all comes down with how much you are a)willing to put up from a public person in their private lives and b)how much you really like their work. if you liked the DC, but hated their statement, you are well within your own rights to not buy their music......if you were ok with their statement, cont buying and enjoying what you like. same for r kelly (the arguement can always be made that "i don't like so-and-so, i just like this song"--for example, i HATE britney spears, but i LOVE that "boys remix" song of her's)....i don't think ANYone is gonna agree with what he did, but if you just super-like his music, who's to say you're wrong for buying music you like. yes, you're supporting a "bad, bad man".....but we also just gave an oscar and a standing ovation to a man who got on a 13 yr old......they both broke the law in serious (!!) ways....how should one be celebrated and the other not?
i hope i'm not completely sounding random/contradicting....remember i am re-cooping from a serious night of drinking.......hopefully i make some sense. but i, for one, don't think ol' dude should "be a man and come over here"......he'd end up in prison within 2 minutes if he did, anyway. he's not being a coward by not showing his face here, munchkin...he's obeying his sentence.
and as for ppl not being "patriotic" until a national crisis....sometimes it takes something like 9/11 to make ppl sit up and realize what they have. i've always been a proud american, but no, i haven't always had a flag sticker on my car. you never know how ppl really are until you get them in a crisis....i'm glad to know america gets angry, gets proud, and gets to work.

[RahDigga]

This is a reply to Arya--I see a big difference in being opposed to a president's decision or a situation, but to go on another country's soil and diss your country by talking bad about the president to me is turning your back. Would you not be offended if one of your sorority sisters went somewhere and talk bad about the way your organization is run? I would at least and I think they are the same situation because you belong to each the sorority and the country and whether or not you agree with what is going on you shouldn't diss it there is a level of loyalty that has to be maintained. You can have your opinion but that was an inappropriate place to announce it.

I'm not trying to sound hateful to you or anything so don't take it that way.

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by AlphaGamDiva
uh, i don't. i think the man did a horrendous act and last time i checked, we weren't questioning his manhood......we were protecting other 13 yr olds. but i, for one, don't think ol' dude should "be a man and come over here"......he'd end up in prison within 2 minutes if he did, anyway. he's not being a coward by not showing his face here, munchkin...he's obeying his sentence.

Uhh, actually you're wrong. Polanski fled before any sentencing could be done--essentially, he jumped bail. He's not obeying his sentence, as there is no sentence to obey. His exile is a result of his avoiding the law, not to protect other 13 year olds. It also has nothing to do with being a non-citizen, although he will probably never be able to live in the United States as it will be next to impossible to get a visa.

Maybe to make this a little clearer, I should have said, "He should be an adult, and come over here." Of course we're not questioning his manhood. He has said that he wants to come and resolve the legal issues regarding his exile. So, all I'm saying is, why doesn't he do it?

I have noticed that it is easier for people to be patriotic when their guy is in charge. Also, national crises don't always inspire patriotism as much as they do jingoism (what I see now). There is a difference.

[gphiangel624]

Quoted from AlphaGamDiva:
i think these r kelly types and polanski people are sick.....but that doesn't mean i don't enjoy their work. poe was a crack-head, too, and he wrote some amazing stuff! judge not lest ye be jugded, folks..........that's how i feel about this whole situation now, i guess. i don't have to agree with anyone, i don't have buy their shit, but i can enjoy their artistry if i want to.

I couldn't agree more. I love the Dixie Chicks and think that what Natalie said was out of context (although she does have the right to say what she wants to say), I'm not going to stop buying the music. She has every right to say how she feels- all the celebrities did it at the Oscars and they aren't getting slammed because of it. As for R.Kelly, i love the song, but not his music. Yeah, what he did was sick, but it doesn't affect his music. I totally agree with the Poe comment, as well... good comparison.

Quoted from Cream:
The Dixie Chicks could learn a lesson here. They should just apologize and remove themselves from the political dialogue or they could wind up just like Sinead O'Connor, a very talented outcast who could never recapture her previous success.

They did apologize. A few times. But the media will choose to show what they wish, and a lot of the media didn't choose this. They're over it. Bring our troops home and let's get this thing over with...

[AlphaGamDiva]

my bad, munchkin...like i said, rough night, plus i don't know all the grim details of mr. polanski.....i just thought he wasn't allowed back here, and assumed (oops) he had been sentenced with the boot. thanks for the info, though.

as far as my personal patriotism, seeing as though i can't speak for anyone else.....since 9/11, i've decided to join the nat'l guard. it's been a long, thoughtful process, and i haven't signed yet, but am going to asap. with everything that's happened in the past few years, i just feel like it's something i can actually DO instead of sitting around talkin a bunch of talk that's not doing a whole lot. ya know? plus, what makes this an even better decision in my mind, too, is that Bush is president right now. and it's always easier to be patriotic when "your guy" is in charge....when the big guy pisses you off, it's natural to be a lil testy. no matter who is in charge, though, i always am proud to be an american...i may not always be so proud of who is representing us, but it's always pretty damn skippy to live here than say, oh, france?
so, that's how i am showing my patriotism. i'm not hiding behind a flag, i'm not just decorating my house/car in american flags, i'm going out and serving my country. jus'sayin....

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Originally posted by gphiangel624

Quoted from Cream:
The Dixie Chicks could learn a lesson here. They should just apologize and remove themselves from the political dialogue or they could wind up just like Sinead O'Connor, a very talented outcast who could never recapture her previous success.

They did apologize. A few times. But the media will choose to show what they wish, and a lot of the media didn't choose this. They're over it. Bring our troops home and let's get this thing over with... [/B]

Did they apologize? I never heard that they had. I personally won't buy any Dixie Chicks CDs, but it has nothing to do with Natalie's comments. They are just not my cup of tea. I don't think that their fans are over Natalie's comments. Only time will tell.

[White_Chocolate]

Originally posted by Eirene_DGP
I personally did not stop listening to either R. Kelly or Dixie Chics throughout either of their fiascos. I like their music and I could care less about their political views or what they do in their spare time. Its entertainment so enjoy it.

i have to agree with you on that one
no one stopped listening to ozzy when he ate live animals on stage.. .so why should we let a little child molestation stop us from hearing 'ignition' or 'landslide'

[sigtau305]

Originally posted by 33girl
Did you forget? Crack is cheap. Whitney makes TOO MUCH MONEY to ever smoke crack.

someone should have told her that when she was doing that interview with Diane Sawyer

[kstar]

Just a note, Good old Polanski CAN come back to the US anytime he wants, as the statute of limitations has past for his crimes. But he is not a US citizen anymore, and honestly, why would he want to be?

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by White_Chocolate
i have to agree with you on that one
no one stopped listening to ozzy when he ate live animals on stage.. .so why should we let a little child molestation stop us from hearing 'ignition' or 'landslide'

For the record, Ozzy thought the bat was plastic. Saw the interview I think in Behind the Music.