The Dixie Chicks naked

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by AlphaGam1019
hey! don't forget the other commies !

That's a big list. Looks like the boycotters will have a lot of free time on they're hands since they won't be listening to music, going to the mvoies or watching tv.

[LeslieAGD]

On his website ( http://www.brucespringsteen.net/news/index.html ), Bruce Springsteen writes:

The Dixie Chicks have taken a big hit lately for exercising their basic right to express themselves. To me, they're terrific American artists expressing American values by using their American right to free speech. For them to be banished wholesale from radio stations, and even entire radio networks, for speaking out is un- American.

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Yea, it's American for the Dixie Chicks to speak out against war, but not for Americans to protest them?!?

Gimme a break!

[DZHBrown]

I think that the cover is another example of poor judgement on their part. Like someone else said, it WILL further alienate some fans. I've always liked the Dixie Chicks, but Maines' "comment" really turned me off, and this cover decreases the amount of respect I have for them.

Yes, they have the freedom of speech. But Americans also have the freedom to disagree with it and voice that, as well.

[AlphaGamDiva]

good lordy this got heated in a hurry........

PLEASE BE GENTLE when you flame me for the following...thanks.......this is long...feel free to skip to the interesting parts (i received this through email--no clue who wrote it):

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinetevery chance they get, to anyone and everyone who willlisten. They publicly defile them and call them names like"stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went sofar as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bushand is embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from
Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He
served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He
began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in
1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was
elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of
the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the
first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year
terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote.
In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27
percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats
and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of
254, than any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon in
1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to
win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El
Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false
story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President.
If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM
and see the truth.

Vice President Dick Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a
M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he
won an American Political Science Association congressional
fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is
to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign
leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy,
secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his
official role as President of the Senate, Vice President
Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators
and members of the House of Representatives to work on the
Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice
President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war
on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military,
and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the
United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell: Educated in the New York
City public schools, graduating from the City College of New
York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology.
He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a
commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in
June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master
of Business Administration Degree from George Washington
University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous
U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary
Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of
Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional
Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service
Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service
Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named
in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities
and colleges across the country. (Note: He retired as Four
Star General in the United States Army)

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton
University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S.
Navy (1954-57) as a Nava! l aviator; Congressional Assistant
to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative,
Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of
the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of
Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74;
head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the
President, Director of White House Office of Operations,
White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Raised in a working
class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a
scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After
his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted
into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff
sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star
for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law
Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant
District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress
in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran
elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected
six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her
Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi
Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her
Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her
Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at
the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the
University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with
a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She
earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and
a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School
of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are
also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American
Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary
Doctorates from Morehouse College i! n 1991, the University
of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995.
At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for
International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of
the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by
courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include
Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip
Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin,
and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the
Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous
articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense
policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from
the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the
Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National
Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of
German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union,
she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then
Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the
National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the
President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an
international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign
Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal
Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the
Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the
Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the
William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre
Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and
the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a
Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an
educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and
East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the
Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past
board service has encompassed such organizations as
Transamerica Corpo! ration, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie
Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The
Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East
European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED,
public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954
in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their
experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will
defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I
think that if they are going to call into question the
intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the
facts on their educations and background:

Barbra Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career:Acting
Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal. Career:Acting
Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting
Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting
Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting
George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting
Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career:Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting
Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting
Janeane G! arofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting

ok, if you read all of that, i am impressed. the short of it is, though, that all these celebs and stuff who are anti-bush/war have been known to refer to him as "stupid" or they are "embarrassed" to be an american/texan b/c of him......by showing these educational backgrounds, i am NOT saying they aren't entitled to their opinions or should not voice them b/c they didn't go on to college or are "just actors" (i was a theatre major, so i don't knock their work) b/c then i would definitely be anti-american......what i am really saying, though, is that their job is not a political one that entitles them to be privy to foreign information regarding the safety of this country. they honestly don't have the educational background that the pres. and his homies do. our leaders are highly educated, highly intelligent, and HIGHLY informed. why would ANYone be embarrassed about someone who is attempting to protect his country's citizens AS WELL AS THOSE OUTSIDE THIS COUNTRY? i mean....ppl act like he got caught with his pants down with some intern....geez......

also....it would be more of a valid statement from mr. bruce what this AMERICAN artist did by expressing her AMERICAN right to free speech about her embarrassment of this AMERICAN president if she had been IN AMERICA!!!!

[Shine]

This thread is stupid.

Just sayin.

Too many people on BOTH sides running their mouths about stuff they know nothing about.

[AlphaGamDiva]

Originally posted by Shine
This thread is stupid.
Just sayin.
Too many people on BOTH sides running their mouths about stuff they know nothing about.

either contribute or don't.....but there's no need to call other ppl "stupid" when you don't even have an intelligent comment to add....your smart comments don't count........

Originally posted by AlphaGamDiva

ok, if you read all of that, i am impressed. the short of it is, though, that all these celebs and stuff who are anti-bush/war have been known to refer to him as "stupid" or they are "embarrassed" to be an american/texan b/c of him......by showing these educational backgrounds, i am NOT saying they aren't entitled to their opinions or should not voice them b/c they didn't go on to college or are "just actors" (i was a theatre major, so i don't knock their work) b/c then i would definitely be anti-american......what i am really saying, though, is that their job is not a political one that entitles them to be privy to foreign information regarding the safety of this country. they honestly don't have the educational background that the pres. and his homies do. our leaders are highly educated, highly intelligent, and HIGHLY informed. why would ANYone be embarrassed about someone who is attempting to protect his country's citizens AS WELL AS THOSE OUTSIDE THIS COUNTRY? i mean....ppl act like he got caught with his pants down with some intern....geez......

also....it would be more of a valid statement from mr. bruce what this AMERICAN artist did by expressing her AMERICAN right to free speech about her embarrassment of this AMERICAN president if she had been IN AMERICA!!!!

further reinforces my sig line.

rant on babe

Kitso
KS 361 gallons of gas my TRUCK guzzles to support terrorism because i'm a MEAN-SPIRITED REPUBLICAN

[Shine]

Originally posted by AlphaGamDiva
either contribute or don't.....but there's no need to call other ppl "stupid" when you don't even have an intelligent comment to add....your smart comments don't count........

Hey. I'm not an ass kisser. I tell it like it is.

I'm a heavy participator in one particular side of this argment.

I mean no offense, but most of you people are people I consider intelligent and well spoken, but when it comes to talking about the war, both sides suddenly get over-emotional and start spouting rhetoric and insults that is based on anything BUT facts.

[AlphaGamDiva]

fair enough.

[Shine]

Originally posted by AlphaGamDiva
fair enough.

And for the record, I didn't call y'all stupid, I said the thread and how it's turned out is stupid.

[damasa]

Originally posted by Shine
Hey. I'm not an ass kisser. I tell it like it is.

I'm a heavy participator in one particular side of this argment.

I mean no offense, but most of you people are people I consider intelligent and well spoken, but when it comes to talking about the war, both sides suddenly get over-emotional and start spouting rhetoric and insults that is based on anything BUT facts.

No offense, but are you an expert? I would tend to think more than likely not. That is beside the point. I happen to disagree with you about this thread being stupid. And who cares about facts, this is a thread geared in personal opinion and reference-things that people hold dear to them. Sorry, but I happen to respect that. I think it's good people are speaking their mind about it, even if it does sounds "stupid."

[33girl]

Originally posted by AlphaGam1019
hey! don't forget the other commies !

geez, Joe McCarthy and John Foster Dulles must be high-fiving each other right now. They might want to get all the spellings on that list right...not only that, I think that list is the closest Bonnie Franklin has gotten to Hollywood since 1984.

Eddie Vedder's Bush-mask impaling was true to his "persona" which is why a lot of people didn't freak out. A lot (sweeping generalization) of the people boycotting the Chicks wouldn't listen to Pearl Jam to begin with. Natalie Maines can say whatever she wants to say, but she should be aware that if her core audience doesn't agree with it, it will hurt her and her band's career. Why do you think Andy Gibb never said he was married? Why did Boy George always elude the question of his sexuality during Culture Club's heyday? Because it would have seriously messed up their careers.

Oh, and if you ever want to get a real eye-opener about Bruce Springsteen, read "The Mansion on the Hill" by Fred Goodman.

[damasa]

Originally posted by Cloud9

Anyways, my point for those who apparently missed it - I don't agree with boycotting musicians or any artist because of their political views. We're not Nazis, I just made a comment with a comparison on their policies regarding political dissenters, obviously there are huge differences between that regime and the US. But just posting that would have been so boring!

Oh, but that's one of the greatest things about this country! A musician or artist or actor can have any political view they want and your "average joe" can have the same. Musicians can disagree with our government and so can the "average joe." And it's great to know that yep, "average joe" can go right ahead and disagree with
the views of those musicians, or any other person for that matter.

Originally posted by Cloud9
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW, POOR WIDDLE PWINCESS!!!

Would you wike me to CWY for yo-SILENCE ANGRY LITTLE MAN!!!
(Jewish shmewish, how do you know I'm not Jewish, do you think your religion makes you an authority on Nazi Germany?)

wow,

I just want to say that that is a great rebuttal to a serious point.

Did you get your diploma in the mail? There's no way a school of higher learning would let someone walk the stage with debate and speech skills like that.

Kitso
KS 361 times i'm glad my diploma won't be from the same school as yours

[Cloud9]

Yup that's true, as we can see from current events. Alas, I don't agree, mainly with this particular case because it's not the sort of action that really requires action. The boycotts that make sense to me are ones in reaction to, I dunno, forcing people to sit in the back of a bus due to their color, or maybe discriminating against people in the workplace due to sexual orientation, or some other oppressive or violent act. Calling a stupid man stupid(or even those poor souls who would call him smart) doesn't really warrent a huge response to me. But your statement is still essentially correct.