Too many pledges!!! - Page 3

BSUPhiSig'92 · #31 04-02-2003, 05:20 PM

Is it at all possible that they graduated three members in December? Or had these members leave school? The rosters in the Greek Life Office are only as accurate as what is turned in by the chapter.

DeltaBetaBaby · #32 04-02-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by BSUPhiSig'92
Is it at all possible that they graduated three members in December? Or had these members leave school? The rosters in the Greek Life Office are only as accurate as what is turned in by the chapter.

No. They had 140 as of the beginning of the school year.

As for bid cards, I mis-spoke earlier. There are bid cards that each pledge has to sign saying that they understand what hazing is and how to report it, etc. However, there is no deadline for these to be turned in, as spring COB is totally open. The chapter in question did NOT turn in eight bid cards.

honeychile · #33 04-02-2003, 06:17 PM

The more I think about it, the more I'm certain that, if your Greek Advisor does not hold some Green Book sessions, he or she should be fired.

Such incompetence would not be acceptable in any other work enviroment, would it now? One doesn't have to be Mensa material to be able to count to 150!

honeychile

DeltaBetaBaby · #34 04-02-2003, 06:58 PM

I don't know why there is so much bashing of the Greek Advisor. The chapters were told what they were allowed to do, and it has never been a problem in the past, so the GA was not looking over their shoulder the whole time. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

FuzzieAlum · #35 04-02-2003, 07:28 PM

NPC has collegiate Panhellenic advisors, and campuses can request that they come in to their campus to look things over. This seems like the kind of situation they were designed for.

I'm not sure how to contact them - perhaps your chapter's advisor does, or the Greek advisor, or the local alumnae Panhellenic, or even your sorority's nationals. If all else fails, try NPC nationals.

Honestly, I don't think dealing with this locally is the best idea. As PsychTau pointed out, several NPC compacts are being violated with your campus' current procedures aside from just this overbidding - and sorry, your campus' Greek advisor SHOULD know that, so he/she does bear some fault. No joining elsewhere the first semester after depledging is just about the most basic NPC rush rule there is.

Also - the chapter in violation should inform their nationals (I know, they don't have much incentive to) - but their national HQ may very well have a standard response to a situation like this; they may have dealt with it before.

adduncan · #36 04-02-2003, 07:49 PM

This is just a thought from someone on the outside but how is the following for a penalty for breaking this rule:

If they deliberately pledged too many girls this COB round, is it possible to prohibit them from participating in the next formal rush? This way the girls who pledged (and did nothing wrong) don't miss the initiation they've worked for, but the chapter who decided to make up their own rules will have to pay for their choice. It's also an easy penalty to apply evenly and consistently if any other chapter decided that going over quota and total was a good idea.

Adrienne (PNAM-2003)
(practicing, in case I get to be an advisor one day!)

BSUPhiSig'92 · #37 04-02-2003, 08:45 PM

Either contact your organization's representative to the NPC Recruitment Committee, or your regional NPC Coordinator. The national committee should be notified of this regardless if your local Panhellenic decides to handle it or not.

sugar and spice · #38 04-02-2003, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby
I don't know why there is so much bashing of the Greek Advisor. The chapters were told what they were allowed to do, and it has never been a problem in the past, so the GA was not looking over their shoulder the whole time. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

I think it's because there is obviously, from what you told us, not a lot of understanding of NPC rules on the part of the Greek advisor. You've mentioned a couple things that are in direct violation of the NPC rule book . . . if your Greek advisor doesn't understand the NPC rule book, he or she shouldn't be advising NPC sororities.

It's the Greek advisor's job to know this stuff. If you were being hired to teach American literature, and you didn't know anything about it, you would be fired . . . I think the same goes for a Greek advisor who is clearly allowing the sororities to violate the rules of their governing council.

I don't think the Greek advisor is the ONLY one at fault in this situation, but he or she definitely played some kind of role in it.

honeychile · #39 04-02-2003, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by adduncan
This is just a thought from someone on the outside but how is the following for a penalty for breaking this rule:

If they deliberately pledged too many girls this COB round, is it possible to prohibit them from participating in the next formal rush? This way the girls who pledged (and did nothing wrong) don't miss the initiation they've worked for, but the chapter who decided to make up their own rules will have to pay for their choice. It's also an easy penalty to apply evenly and consistently if any other chapter decided that going over quota and total was a good idea.

Adrienne (PNAM-2003)
(practicing, in case I get to be an advisor one day!)

The Green Book, whose real name escapes me, is the manual for NPC sororities. It strictly prohibits any penalty that results in not being able to participate in rush. Each of our chapter advisors is issued a copy and encouraged to read it (if not memorize it!).

So, your suggestions won't be able to be used.

honeychile

BSUPhiSig'92 · #40 04-03-2003, 01:16 AM

A local Panhellenic cannot enact any punishment that limits the number of new members a chapter can take in recruitment. Contact your NPC representative and file a complaint with the NPC Recruitment Committee. Especially since there is involvement of the national organization.

MoxieGrrl · #41 04-03-2003, 10:31 AM

While the advisor should have been paying attention, are we really supposed to believe that these women accidentally picked up 3 extra members?

Most other systems punish a minor crime with community service...but we're sorority girls! We love that stuff! Or a financial punishment is used...what's even $1500 when divided up between 140 girls? It's almost unfair that NPC prohibits a punishment of loss of members. If we want chapters to learn from blatently breaking rules, they should be hit where it hurts most.

Does anyone know what kinds of punishments the Green Book permits?

shadokat · #42 04-03-2003, 10:45 AM

Personally, I think all this talk of crime and punishment for the chapter is sort of silly. They took 3 extra girls during COB because their HQs told them to take to 150. It's 3 women!! It's not as if they had a huge keg party in their own house. Contact your local area advisor for collegiate panhellenics, which is available at http://www.npcwomen.org/college/c_advisors.php, and tell them the situation. They can offer you suggestions and such, but a punishment view is just counter productive for a positive outcome. If you punish the sorority in question, they'll feel as if they've been punished for following an order of their HQs, if you punish the new women by not allowing them to initiate, etc., you hurt girls who want to be a part of your greek system. Talk to the greek advisor, and see what their view is. Talk about it at Panhellenic. I'm sure an amicable solution can be reached for all.

White_Chocolate · #43 04-03-2003, 11:01 AM

okay, it doesnt' really matter because NPC isn't gong to do anything about it
you pay your dues to npc but they don't rectify a problem
we have 'dirty rushing' every year by the same sorority
it is taken to npc who say they will fix the problem but they never do

so, just let it go. . .that's what we've done. . .

phimugirlie01 · #44 04-03-2003, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by shadokat
Personally, I think all this talk of crime and punishment for the chapter is sort of silly. They took 3 extra girls during COB because their HQs told them to take to 150. It's 3 women!! It's not as if they had a huge keg party in their own house.

Um, yeah. The chapter knew what campus total was and how many they could take. 3 women may not seem like much to you, but it it unfair to other groups on that campus who may be struggling with numbers. Total is set for a reason, and to brush it off as nothing is silly. If the chapter isn't punished, other chapters will feel they can do the same, plain and simple. I don't think anyone is calling for fire and brimstone, but I believe action is necessary.

shadokat · #45 04-03-2003, 02:31 PM

phimugirlie--

No need to talk to me about struggling chapters. I just went through a reorganization with my own chapter last year. We went from 16 to 46 in a year, with total being 50. Struggling chapters aren't going to be hurt by 3 women.

I'm not brushing off the fact that total isn't 150, but the Greek Advisor should know the deal and have stepped in. Now, after the fact, there's not much you can do, and THAT'S the point I'm trying to make.