Bush's speech and what's next? - Page 3

CutiePie2000 · #31 03-18-2003, 11:33 AM

http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/l...rful/index.php
From the above webpage:
1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.

1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.

1963-1975: American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia.

September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.

1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties

1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.

1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.

2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".

September 11, 2001: Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.

lionlove · #32 03-18-2003, 12:47 PM

Sigh, I wish it hadn't come to this.

It's hard to look at the world and feel optimistic anymore. I'm graduating in two months and I'm trying to keep a positive outlook on life while going through a fruitless job search. I am trying so hard to keep an optimistic outlook on life after graduation but then I turn on the news and the economy isn't getting better and the terrorist risk is elevated. It's hard to feel positive when the world around you is falling apart piece by piece, country by country.

I don't have any grand solutions to this problem. I major in international studies but this conflict is so muddy that it's hard to look at with any coherance. Should Iraq disarm? Most definatly, but maybe we shouldn't have supported Iraq in the 80s when they were fighting Iran. Of course if we didn't support Iraq in the 80s maybe Islamic fundamentalism from Iran would have spread even further in the Middle East and caused a different set of problems. American foreign policy is incredibly complicated and it is never as clear as "I'm good/you're bad, end of story."

Now that war is inevitable, I hope it's the right solution. I have alot of respect for the men and women in uniform who are out there fighting, they are doing a job that I would never be able to do. Many, if not all of us, knows someone or knows someone who knows someone who is fighting out there and we all hope they come back safe and sound. I hope that at the end of the day, justice will prevail.

I hope above all else that when I graduate into the real world in May I can say that I am entering a good and decent world. I remember finishing high school/finishing college in the late nineties when everything seemed alright and a college degree was the promise of a good life. That reality is very different now and I wish it wasn't.

</end babbling of a scared soon-to-be college graduate>

Rudey · #33 03-19-2003, 06:03 PM

I love you. Please read about the war powers act. Follow it up with some basic analysis of the previous war (ie who declared the war over?). Then read about what happened when the oil fields were destroyed last time (global environmental and economic issues). Oh and at some point, grab a book talking about the League of Nations. And finally ask yourself what point you made by throwing the Dick Cheney comments in there. Obviously it'd be important to understand which VP's were in the media often, when that trend started, and why.

-Rudey
--Then you can be uber smart like me. <NERD LAUGH>

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Originally posted by Cloud9
Ok, can I just say, what the HELL was that crap he said when he was giving his "message to the Iraqi people"...something like, "do not destroy the oil, it is a valuable resource of Iraq"
Oh yeah Iraq, be sure to save that oil for us! I canNOT believe he went there.
Second, um did I miss something, or does it not state in the constitution that only CONGRESS can declare war??? Hmmm, speaking of tyrants BUSH...
Third, I don't think enough people realize what a huge diplomatic failure this signifies...they say history repeats itself - does anyone remember what happened when the League of Nations failed?? eh?
So here's my reaction to the Bush's speech(or rather the speech written for him by a team of speechwriters and read off of a teleprompter - support Bush? HELLZ NO!!!! If you ask me, this is the signal for people to speak out against this moron more than ever, before he completely destroys our country.

By the way, what the frig happened to Dick Cheney? The man seems to have cpmpletely disappeared, I can't remember the last time I read about him in the news, or saw him on tv, magazines, or anywhere. That's kind of disturbing...I bet Bush accidentally shot him on the ranch...soon we'll see him on a newscast saying how he had to do it because Cheney had become an axis of evil or something.

Rudey · #34 03-19-2003, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by CutiePie2000
http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/l...rful/index.php
From the above webpage:
1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

Ah Americans, whether you're liberal or conservative you still think you know what's best for the world. Gotta love that.

-Rudey
--The liberals supported the Ayatollah I hear.

Peaches-n-Cream · #35 03-19-2003, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
I love you. Please read about the war powers act. Follow it up with some basic analysis of the previous war (ie who declared the war over?). Then read about what happened when the oil fields were destroyed last time (global environmental and economic issues). Oh and at some point, grab a book talking about the League of Nations. And finally ask yourself what point you made by throwing the Dick Cheney comments in there. Obviously it'd be important to understand which VP's were in the media often, when that trend started, and why.

-Rudey
--Then you can be uber smart like me. <NERD LAUGH>

Rudey
You read my mind!

-Cream
--Uber smart just like Rudey <lol!>

Cloud9 · #36 03-19-2003, 08:59 PM

Hahahahaha, uber smartASS that is...

My points still stand. If you have your own little references or links to show me then do so, my opinion is not unchangeable. Otherwise I'll have to disregard you.

P.S., did I not say I was joking about Cheney...if not here's your blatent explanation---Cheney dead=joke. Har, har...no? Ah well, apparently it went over your head.

Peaches-n-Cream · #37 03-19-2003, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Cloud9
Hahahahaha, uber smartASS that is...

My points still stand. If you have your own little references or links to show me then do so, my opinion is not unchangeable. Otherwise I'll have to disregard you.

P.S., did I not say I was joking about Cheney...if not here's your blatent explanation---Cheney dead=joke. Har, har...no? Ah well, apparently it went over your head.

Just because someone disagrees with your point of view doesn't mean that it went over someone's head.

Timber · #38 03-19-2003, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by Cream
Just because someone disagrees with your point of view doesn't mean that it went over someone's head.

Dang she told you!!!

Cloud9 · #39 03-19-2003, 09:46 PM

Hi, it's not a point of view, let me say again...joke. Joke does not equal point of view, joke equals not serious. Therefore disagreeing with it is of no consequence---how the hell is it possible to "disagree" with a joke? You either get it or you don't. And how is me not having seen Cheney in the spotlight in awhile a point of view? That's just me not knowing where the guy is, hence my question, "what happened to him?" Can we move on with life now?

Peaches-n-Cream · #40 03-19-2003, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by Cloud9
Hi, it's not a point of view, let me say again...joke. Joke does not equal point of view, joke equals not serious. Therefore disagreeing with it is of no consequence---how the hell is it possible to "disagree" with a joke? You either get it or you don't. And how is me not having seen Cheney in the spotlight in awhile a point of view? That's just me not knowing where the guy is, hence my question, "what happened to him?" Can we move on with life now?

I read your post incorrectly. I thought that you meant your opinion "went over your head" in your previous post.

My life is moving on.

Rudey · #41 03-19-2003, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Cloud9
Hahahahaha, uber smartASS that is...

My points still stand. If you have your own little references or links to show me then do so, my opinion is not unchangeable. Otherwise I'll have to disregard you.

P.S., did I not say I was joking about Cheney...if not here's your blatent explanation---Cheney dead=joke. Har, har...no? Ah well, apparently it went over your head.

Touch me.

-Rudey
--ME like YOU