Is there a connection between Alpha Delta Pi and Phi Mu?

[nauadpi]

Originally posted by sirfidelgrl
some more facts....

this one I did not even know and this is not in Phi Mu's New Member manuals, but I found while looking at a ADP site:

1898 Chi Omega, a national sorority, attempted to enter Wesleyan Female College. Wanting the best women on campus, the Chi Omegas tried to incorporate the Adelpheans and the Philomatheans into their sorority. Instead of being absorbed, the Adelpheans and Philomatheans both decided to become a national organizations. (Which they both became in 1904)

this was also on that website...

1911-17 The convention produced committees on developing the whistle, symbols, and insignia and adopted a regulation flag. The unicorn was adopted as a symbol and mascot of Alpha Delta Phi. I am ONLY asssuming after the name was changed to Alpha Delta Pi in 1913 the mascot may have changed with it too? or just added... I am only guessing here guys! help me ADP's!

now... this came off a ADP website I have no reason to think it is false, however if something is wrong...correct me!

Everything you mentioned is correct, but I believe our mascot did not actually change to the lion until later...And we changed our name from Alpha Delta Phi to Alpha Delta Pi in 1913 because we found at the time there was a fraternity by that name.

[Sistermadly]

Thanks for the article, Greeklawgirl! I've always admired Gamma Phi and AGD, and it's nice to know more about the special bond among "The Triad"

(wondering if there's an alumnae "Triad Tea" held in my town....)

[ADPiViolets]

I know that this has already been said, but I just wanted to say again how much I have enjoyed reading this thread. Every bit of information that everyone has contributed has been very interesting. Thank you for bringing up the issue, CutiePie2000!

[Optimist Prime]

Not to mention that they are both American Greek Letter Colliegete sororities. The Devil's in the details.

[wptw]

Originally posted by GPhiBLtColonel
What sorority was it at Barnard that did not extend Stella a bid? Does anyone know?

The only sorority that predated AOPi at Barnard College of Columbia University was Kappa Kappa Gamma, so I think that's probably your answer.

It's dangerous to conceal the little bits of our history that we aren't proud of, especially if we convince ourselves that the whitewash is for some noble sounding purpose like "greek unity".

Anyway, I seriously doubt this 106 year old episode is going to undermine our unity. Women do hold grudges a long time, but I think it's safe to say the statute of limitations has run out on this one.

wptw

[Sistermadly]

Originally posted by wptw
It's dangerous to conceal the little bits of our history that we aren't proud of, especially if we convince ourselves that the whitewash is for some noble sounding purpose like "greek unity".

What other reason can be behind it but Greek Unity? I'm sure AOII could say which fraternity it was at every opportunity - but they don't. If it's not out of greek spirit and/or greek unity (whatever you want to call it) then I have no other explanation for it.

[wptw]

Sistermadly, I'm sure the reason AOPis don't mention at every opportunity is because...

It was 106 years ago and nobody cares anymore!

But my point was, why gloss over it on this message board when the subject comes up? If someone asks the question (as GPhiBLtColonel did), and someone else says "I've always wanted to know this" (as YOU did), and someone knows the answer (as CutiePie2000 does), then I think it's silly not to just answer the darn question.

How exactly would answering this particular question undermine greek unity?

And even if we suppose this IS some dark chapter in the history of AOPi and KKG, why is it wrong to talk about it?

wptw

[Sistermadly]

Because someone, maybe not you, and maybe not me, but someone would find a way to take this disclosure as slagging off the organization in question. THAT'S what I meant by greek unity/greek spirit.

Some people might care, even if it was 106 years ago. Some people really don't give a rip, and are only interested from a historical standpoint. And there are others -- and we all know people like this -- who will take any mention of unsavoury history and turn it into a personal attack against their organization. So, to keep the waters calm, I think it's best not to say.

But that's just the peacemaker in me, I guess. You're welcome to disagree.

[wptw]

So we're "keeping the waters calm" by not discussing a potentially embarassing or unpleasant subject.

That's a healthy approach.

Hey, what's that big lump under the rug?

wptw

[Xi AOPi]

I agree, it was 106 years ago, and I know it doesn't bother me at all! I think it just goes to show that as far as greek life goes, everything happens for a reason and you usually end up where you were meant to be. Imagine that if Stella hadn't been cut by another sorority, AOII might have never been founded, and that is just one scary thought... So bring on the Greek unity!

[sherbertlemons]

Maybe the solution is not posting, but just making it clear that anyone really interested in knowing could PM the person who knows? Hopefully, only someone philosophical enough not to make a big deal about it would ask- but inquiring minds would still get to know.

Heck, I'm a Kappa, and even though it seems like we were the culprit (gotta get to the library and check the Baird's Manual!) I really don't mind hearing it. I'm sure every GLO of similar age has at least one incident like this lurking in the past- as someone else already mentioned, those decisions were more a product of the era than the group in question.

[Sistermadly]

Not posting and passing it on in a PM is a great idea. If people were really that curious to know, someone could have just passed it along that way. Public versus private disclosure.. the next topic on GreekChat Today! *lol*

I'm ending my thread hijack now.

[MTSUGURL]

This started out as a very interesting sweet thread. Getting back to that....

I always think it is so cool to hear how different groups are linked to each other. We don't have a Phi Mu chapter here, but we have ADPi. They're awesome!

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

I like wptw because he's like my dad. He thinks up stuff I wouldn't have thought of before, but then if I work on it awhile I figure out that maybe he's right.

Kappa doesn't exactly have a horrid past over something that happened so long ago at a time when that kind of discrimination was the norm. And, a great point was made -- even if they'd done something awful, something great (AOII) came out of it.

I think this is a great example of greek unity.

[Optimist Prime]

wow....106 was forever ago.