Hazing is wrong......That's why WE don't do it!!!!! - Page 3

meheron · #31 12-17-2002, 05:38 PM

Its hard to Haze in Kappa Alpha Theta. You have a 1800 number you can call if you feel like you are being hazed. Its funny when I was a new member we made paddles (which by the way are no longer allowed because hum HAZING). We asked if we could show them in chapter and we were told no because if even one of us didn't want to do it, it would be considered HAZING. I think the policy is great and all but sometimes I think its taking a little to far such in our case.

kappaloo · #32 12-17-2002, 05:57 PM

I'm proud to say that Zeta Omega chapter of Kappa Kappa Gamma does not haze!!

Optimist Prime · #33 12-18-2002, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
pledging weeds out those who don't want it bad enough.

True, but their is a difference between pledging and hazing. We don't haze but we still pledge.

Optimist Prime · #34 12-18-2002, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by ChiOqt
My org's hazing free too...and for those that think hazing is good, there are other way to weed out the pledges! They will know whether or not the greek organization is for them or not

What if they aren't right for the org. Should black balling someone be hazing? I don't think so.

TKErd345 · #35 12-18-2002, 07:05 PM

OH...MY...GOD!!! So you mean when I asked one of my pledges who was sitting next to me in class if I could borrow a pencil because I had forgotten mine, I caused him unnecessary physical distress and totally hazed him? Excuse me for a moment while I freak out and go crazy for having screwed up...

uhh yeah... no... wake up and smell the coffee people... hazing is just about the most incredibly perception-based thing around, and some things are construed as hazing, even though they're things we all do... oh, and beating your fists on your chests going "we don't haze" is uhm, how should i put this... not the greatest thing ever either... nobody is without fault, nobody's perfect, but if you make your pledges do jumping jacks at 3am on glass, well, sorry for the bluntness, but you deserve to have that glass shoved somewhere... yeah, hazing doesn't create good brotherhood, but there are different things that happen that are construed as hazing... such as making your pledge drink a bottle of alcohol, or making him (or her) repeat the alphabet... do you guys see any differences between those 2? Well, I do... when I mean repeating the alphabet, I don't mean embarassing him/her in public, but maybe when it's just you and him, or at education... both of those things are "hazing", but to make an analogy, it's like saying pot is as bad as cocaine... while nobody dies from using cannibus, people OD on coke more than anybody here would like to acknowledge... yet the DEA says pot's just as bad as coke... i think there should be a line drawn between what's real hazing, and what's "fake" hazing...

Fraternally yours, Dragos

nauadpi · #36 12-18-2002, 09:23 PM

Yippy...and Epsilon Xi Chapter of Alpha Delta Pi at Northern Arizona University also does not haze.

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Originally posted by adpiucf
Zeta Omega chapter of Alpha Delta Pi doesn't haze! And neither does our Alpha Chi chapter of Alpha Delta Pi at UCLA! ADPi was the first sorority to institute a zero-tolerance policy for hazing.

aedea42 · #37 12-18-2002, 09:36 PM

the Beta Kappa chapter of Alpha Sigma Alpha does not haze!!!

Tom Earp · #38 12-18-2002, 10:44 PM

Having New Associates have to come to the House?

Having members study in periods of time so they can make grades?

Having Members attend meetings?

Having New Associates know anything about the History of the Local Chapter and the International?

Having Members participate in activities?

What is hazing?

Beating someones ass, make them do degrading things, that may harm themselves

In this day of Politically Correctness, there is little leeway for new members to learn what makes a Brother/Sisterhood!

There is a very fine line in todays overall picture.

I think we are losing the total picture of what life is all about!

In many more ways than we think.

AlphaXiDiva · #39 12-19-2002, 06:17 AM

On my campus of all locals, we have (or certain orgs) have had serious reps for hazing and we have always prided ourselves for not breaking our girls down and building them into alpha xi omicron, or for forcing alcohol, or making them exert themselves physically, or sexually in the name of greek life. And yet, we are all guilty of hazing. these certain infamous orgs have gottten caught once again (pledges de-pledging and telling administration) and so now, we can have nothing visible during pledges. Our girls are hardly allowed to wear pins, and are definitely not allowed to carry pedge books (a total norm on our campus).
But I must say many orgs have taken a positive look at all the change going on, and at least the sororitites are agreeing that serious hazing is totally wrong. By the same token, are we really supposed to have weekly meetings and eat cookies for pledging?
There needs to be a definition of hazing that allows commitment , education, devotion, and bonding, without all of the nit-picky rules.
what blows me is that the one org that EVERYONE knows is hazing, (and I mean the glass, jumping off trains, nightly drunken drop offs after beatings in the middle of nowhere) has been doing it since 1909, and though their group is the smallest, since the board of trustees are alum, the fraternity never gets in trouble. The system of reprimand is pretty screwy I think when it comes to hazing... some get away with it and some don't- -

meheron · #40 12-20-2002, 05:13 PM

Hazing is such a hard thing to define. KAO used to require its members to take a test, you know like the history of the chatper, ect... but hum that hazing. Just like everything else. I do understand the big things that hurt people but some of the small things that we as a chapter can get in trouble for is stupid. Other then ritual we can't exclude our new members from anything and they can't do anything by themselves like have a meeting because that would be hazing. I think the definition needs to be made clear to some Headquarters so they can decide what is really hazing.

SirHornyToad · #41 01-10-2003, 06:49 AM

I would say that there has to be a line or two drawn, because i consider what my frat does as Pledging not hazing, but im sure there are people out there who would call it that. At the very most it could be called Constructive Hazing, but that is the key word, CONSTRUCTIVE, having a point to everything and never going out of your way to do stupid things to them ie punching trees or running in to walls, etc. Our squires (pledges) might get a little yelling here or there, or miss alot of sleep but its good for them because unless they are broken down how can they be rebuilt back up. As for frats/sorors, that say they dont haze i call shananigans, because if you show me any pledging program i could find something that can be misconstrued as hazing in one way or another. We are currently in the process of pledging in some new guys and thier captian has been a very good friend of all of us for 3 years but hasnt been able to pledge till now for various academic/social probation issues, he came into it thinking the first night was going to be a cake walke, well we fixed that and broke him the first night and even though hes getting it bad from actives and alums he's still going forward and when its all said and done he will be thankfull for all of it and im sure he will make a great Knight. But as long as hes a squire his pledgings going to be long, hard, meaningfull, and constructive.

SpartyGirl · #42 05-28-2003, 05:47 PM

I was not hazed, not even close.

The whole idea of "earning your letters" or "proving your worthy of belonging" is completely backwards !!! NMs are the lifeblood of the chapter and the GLO. The chapter should feel that THEY have to prove that THEY are worthy of joining !!! They need to show that they are worth spending time and $$$$$ on. They need to show what a worthwhile organization it is.

I guarantee that hazing does not FIT into any GLO's "purpose", "mission" or whatever phrase is used to describe the formal document listing the guiding principles or reason for existing.

starang21 · #43 05-28-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by SpartyGirl
I was not hazed, not even close.

The whole idea of "earning your letters" or "proving your worthy of belonging" is completely backwards !!! NMs are the lifeblood of the chapter and the GLO. The chapter should feel that THEY have to prove that THEY are worthy of joining !!! They need to show that they are worth spending time and $$$$$ on. They need to show what a worthwhile organization it is.

I guarantee that hazing does not FIT into any GLO's "purpose", "mission" or whatever phrase is used to describe the formal document listing the guiding principles or reason for existing.

you're kidding right? so how does that make you any different from a club? you're basically giving letters away.

chideltjen · #44 06-02-2003, 01:23 AM

I am gonna say no, our chapter nor does our beta chapter haze. we may have different requirements to our new member program than the next group, but the new member process is supposed to be one of the most memorable and fun experience of the Chi Delta career.

PsiU1833 · #45 06-02-2003, 02:50 AM

I was talking to one of my friends from a differnt house and he told me he found out this fact somewhere, but im not taking a stance on this. He heard that chapters who haze have a lower dropout rate than chapters who dont. I know that fraternites have a much lower dropout rate than sororities , is this because fraternities are much more likely to haze than sororities, or the way fraternities haze is differnt from sororities.