i heard some nasty hazing traditions...is this one true?

[Billy Optimist]

Icejester, that is the same thing people say about the ones in America. But people have always disliked groups they weren't members of. Think of Knights Templar, Masons, etc. have always come under fire.

[This message has been edited by Billy Optimist (edited March 20, 2001).]

[MsDGP007]

First of all, hazing is pointless, non-constructive, illegal and not condoned (officially) by any organization.

Second, the majority of GLOs out there do not force new members to do such immoral and degrading things. It's a very small minority in fact.

However, it would be innaccurate to say that no hazing occurs anywhere. I grad student I worked with actually did an expose in our school newspaper on some of the fraternities at my school and the insane things that they asked their pledges to do (some even nastier than what was originally reported). Keep in mind though that most of his information came from de-pledges or people who were just disgrunted (in some cases, they had every right to be!) Also different organizations blur the line between hazing and non-hazing and so do the respective members. Personally, the information has made me more aware, but I hold no ill feelings towards any entire organization because of the stupidity of a couple co-eds.

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone hazing in any way and who ever does so should have no excuse. But people also tend to forget that there are quite a few 'non-Greek' organizations (the military, social subcultures {like skinheads}, certain religious groups, and even marching bands) that have initiation procedures that can border (or are) hazing. It's frustrating that fraternities & sororities are so readily associated with this.

My suggestion is to thoroughly investigate the group that you're interested in. How is your chemistry with the current members? Do they show geniune concern and friendship with you, or is it just a show? Have you established a bond of trust with the members? Obviously, it's impossible to know the specifics of any organization's rituals, initiation, etc. before you pledge; but if you're feeling pressured or humiliated....it's not the end of the world if you leave!

Remember, a fraternity/sorority experience should be one of love, pride, and betterment. Like Nick Hexum (311) says..."Believe it to you see it, then see it twice".


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[Billy Optimist]

Why did you single out skinheads? I've known some skinheads, they were nice. Unless you were a nazi. The skinheads i knew were SHARPs. ShinHeads Against Racial Prejudice. They were just a group of people with bald heads that liked reggae

[AngelPhiSig]

OKAY... I have a FEW problems here....
1) NO WHERE DID SHE SAY IT WAS A BAND SORORITY... just that the teacher was a band teacher

2) I am in a BAND SORORITY... it is an honorary sorority Tau Beta Sigma We are a sorority and we are co-ed... we have a BROTHER organization which is a FRATERNITY called Kappa Kappa Psi.

Thank you for you time, and do some research next time!

Originally posted by dzrose93:
TaraHopeful,

First of all, I don't know of any band-affiliated sorority. If it was an organization dealing with the band, it would probably consist of a co-ed group of girls and guys, which would make it a fraternity, not a sorority. That fact alone makes it sound like the teacher was lying to you.

Why she would make up such a horrible, ridiculous story I can't imagine. But I can tell you right now that I don't know of a single Greek organization who would EVER make their sisters do anything like what you described. It absolutely infuriates me that someone would be spreading this filthy story around- especially to a high school student!

[KillarneyRose]

Originally posted by AngelPhiSig:
OKAY... I have a FEW problems here....
1) NO WHERE DID SHE SAY IT WAS A BAND SORORITY... just that the teacher was a band teacher

Thank you for you time, and do some research next time!

You are mistaken, AngelPhiSig. A direct quote from TaraHopeful's original post reads thus, "...it was the band affiliated sorority."

Please read more carefully in the future before you criticize respected members of this forum, especially when they are trying to be helpful.



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[HeidiHo]

Originally posted by TaraHopeful:
it was the band affiliated sorority.

LOL. Who should research?
Why did you bring this up? Just to start a fight? <sigh>

Heidi

[TaraHopeful]

ok now everyone...tone down. I was just asking a question about hazing...didn't mean to start any fights. Can't we all just get along? Come on now, it's not that big of an issue to fret over.

P.S. I want everyone to know that i am now a senior! Woo Hoo (i'm a little too happy)

[dzrose93]

Originally posted by AngelPhiSig:
OKAY... I have a FEW problems here....
1) NO WHERE DID SHE SAY IT WAS A BAND SORORITY... just that the teacher was a band teacher

2) I am in a BAND SORORITY... it is an honorary sorority Tau Beta Sigma We are a sorority and we are co-ed... we have a BROTHER organization which is a FRATERNITY called Kappa Kappa Psi.

Thank you for you time, and do some research next time!

Um, before you get condescending, you might want to read TaraHopeful's original message. She specifically said, and I quote, "I've heard that one sorority blindfolded the girls and had them give head to any guys who wanted it and as many that wanted it. I heard this from a teacher of mine that was i this sorority. Was she BS'ing me? it was the band affiliated sorority."

"IT WAS THE BAND AFFILIATED SORORITY." Exact words from the person starting the thread. Also, I said in my earlier post that band organizations ARE co-ed. So, basically, all you did was reinforce what I'd already mentioned.

Next time you dislike one of my posts, please don't correct me unless you are sure I actually need correcting. Take your own advice and do a little research (like actually reading the post you're criticizing!) Thanks and have a super day!

Thanks to the GC'ers who stood up for me! I love y'all!


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[HeidiHo]

Tara- Don't worry about starting a fuss. None of the recent posts are directed at you. Some people just need to relax and read the threads before responding.

Heidi

[PM_Mama00]

Hey kids...lets face it...some greek orgs do haze. Just because they are co-ed doesnt mean that they are not goin to do bad things. And it's because of these people that hazing rules have gone too far. Fun things like interviews and things that would make the girls closer are not allowed. I'm not talking about things that can put the pledges in danger or make them uncomfortable (oops i just hazed...called a pledging member a pledge). It's rules like that that are making joining a sorority a cake walk. Like I said before, nothing dangerous or uncomfortable, but the new girls SHOULD know who the sisters are. We only had about 20 some members when we took in 18 awesome new girls. But some of the actives and pledges still never got to know each other, because of hazing rules.

[damasa]

sure...some groups do haze..that's their thing..but after reading this post, I think that this former-teacher was telling a fib. It sounds that she may be anti-greek and was trying to give the greek system a bad rep. I highly doubt that her tale was true about a coed group, namely for the reasons being, if that was how it is..that she went through it too..and I don't hink many teachers will be that open about being forced to do the dirty, blind folded, to guys she didn't even know, unless, that's how she likes to do what she does, either way, it sounds like pure crapola. I give credit to the women here, and I think that there would be more self-respect for oneself than to do something like that.

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[SigKapSweetie]

Hi Tara!
I joined Sigma Kappa in the fall of this year, and I can tell you straight up that no one even THOUGHT about hazing us. The roughest thing that went on during my pledge period was my big sis taking me on an all-expenses-paid weekend trip to Disney World.
You have to learn the history of your sorority and stuff like that, but NEVER let anyone tell you that hazing is acceptable in ANY form, and certainly not like what you were talking about. If you rush (and I hope you do!) the odds are overwhelming that you will join a house that is full of girls who will love you and take care of you, and never even think about hazing. However, if you ever get into a position where you feel uncomfortable with something you're supposed to be doing for your house, don't do it. It's that simple . If it's something you think needs attention, tell the new member educator or the president, or go to someone outside of the house. The important thing is that you are safe and happy .

[Tom Earp]

This thread is long past, why not delet it!

Because some topics will repeat, because many people face them. If a topic is to old.. rather close then delete..

[twerkchick]

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