Groove Phi Groove

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by librasoul22


Not that your comments were directed towards me, but I don't know that the folks from this thread have a problem with gphig bettering the black community. Most posts have problems with the history that the org is resting on and the supposed separation from greekdom.

Tom Earp, oddly, a lot of your posts have been making sense to me lately, lol. Perhaps a sign of too much time on GC??

Hey!

Unfortunately, someone did post earlier about why does HBGLO's focus on just the AA community and not the "human" community. I wanted to hear his take on it since I have heard that statement before elsewhere.

[brownsugakdphi]

I really don't want to get into the discussion that seems to be going on here, but I did have a question. I've heard of Swing Phi Swing. I believe they are a female oriented organization (correct me if I'm wrong). I was wondering what their affiliation to your organization is, and if anyone could inform us of them as well. I do however want to state how brilliant greeks really are. I've been sitting back and reading these entries, and although there seems to be contradicting opinions, the vast amount of knowledge is abounding and really displays how truly accomplished those in greek lettered organizations trule are!

[Kevlar281]

Originally posted by KSig RC


Who did Gutenburg steal the printing press from?

That’s the funniest thing I have read all day I think I am going to go watch Krush Groove now.

[showstopper_1908]

Originally posted by theta sig agd
Ok, Maybe I am just nieve, but why is it that historically black groups feel only other blacks can help black communities??? I have never meet a white AKA....just wondering.

Ok I am not seeing how this is related to Groove Phi Groove or the topic at hand, but I felt compelled to respond. Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated has members of many nationalities, religions and races. We are an international public service organization of 150,000 women in more than 900 chapters in the United States, West African, the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands, Germany, Bermuda, Korea, England and Japan. Because you yourself have never seen a white member just means that you have not seen much. Or at least, as much as I have. I have numerious White, Asian, Indian, Latino and Black sorors that span across the globe. The most famous white member of Alpha Kappa Alpha is Elenor Roosevelt. If you have never heard of this woman I do apologize. If I were you, I would leave it up to members of Historically Black groups to speak on issues concerning Historically Black groups. We have never issued a statement that says "only other blacks can help black communities" so I am not sure where you got that information from. To agree with you, yes, maybe you are just nieve. I hope I have enlightened a few readers. Now, back to the topic at hand.

[Cardiac]

I do often get responses from individuals who are intimidated by my brotherhood everyday. I just flick them haters off.

But anyway the org Swing Phi Swing is my sister org. Their name stands for Sisters With Interest Never Gone Promoting Higher Intelligence Supporting Women in Need of Growth.

ANyway as far as Having lines and such, First of all BGLO stole that from the white Greeks who stole that from the Masons. Except for small differences, so don't pretend that yall invented that.

Also as far as the printing press is concerned it is quite possible that the press was created in Africa or they were the first to have such machines because they did print books. And remmeber Aristole is credited for writing over 10,000 books when any scholar will tell you that it is IMPOSSIBLE for one man to write so much text. Where did he get it from? African Libraries when the Greeks invaded.

But anyway as far as stealing anything from anyone, I can say for a fact that there is nothing that is done by any of the BGLO's that was started by them, except maybe actually remembering their founders. PRove me wrong.

[damasa]

Originally posted by Cardiac
I do often get responses from individuals who are intimidated by my brotherhood everyday. I just flick them haters off.

But anyway the org Swing Phi Swing is my sister org. Their name stands for Sisters With Interest Never Gone Promoting Higher Intelligence Supporting Women in Need of Growth.

ANyway as far as Having lines and such, First of all BGLO stole that from the white Greeks who stole that from the Masons. Except for small differences, so don't pretend that yall invented that.

Also as far as the printing press is concerned it is quite possible that the press was created in Africa or they were the first to have such machines because they did print books. And remmeber Aristole is credited for writing over 10,000 books when any scholar will tell you that it is IMPOSSIBLE for one man to write so much text. Where did he get it from? African Libraries when the Greeks invaded.

But anyway as far as stealing anything from anyone, I can say for a fact that there is nothing that is done by any of the BGLO's that was started by them, except maybe actually remembering their founders. PRove me wrong.

It is quite possible that a lot of things were created in a lot of places. Many of these things can be proven, many of these things can not. You claim fact this, and fact that, but I view many of your arguments as more of theory than anything else.

I do agree however that many things in our modern lives were taken from or formed from things that began in Africa, one main one that stick out in my mind is Music. If you take a course in something like American Popular Music or something, they will trace the roots of some modern day music back to the early times of the slave trade=many forms of modern day music are derived from African musical tradition.

If you are arguing with fact, please, point us to readings, journals, logs, statistical data, findings, studies, something. Give us some links, some book titles, something, if not, then some of your arguments are theory, and not of fact.

As for your organization not being the same as a fraternity, it is stunning to see that your org has the makeup of many other greek letter orgs, including BGLOS, WGLOS, MCGLOS. Stolen values, beliefs, traditions, etc, or not, how can an org be different from such other orgs while holding many things in common with them, along with mason groups?

As for now, I will view you as a modern Sophist.

[Cardiac]

The fact that as a black organization we tend to focus on black communities is mostly because they are typically where we are from and have the problems we would like solved most. No one would ever be upset if a White sorority did something for less fortunate white neighborhoods. My chapter actually tried to do a community service at a Nutley High school where the black population is less then 5% and they shut us down cause they told us they "didn't want to be bothered". However I have never been shut out for tryin to mentor at any black school in Newark where I am from.

Also if you want to talk about us reachin out past the black Neighborhoods, my chapter does a walk for autism in East Windsor Nj. every year and that is an area that is 99% caucasian. Why do we do it cause it is a cause that affects every nationality and we are doing it again this Sept.

Honestly I have seen other black orgs do services in white communities. The sigmas did a Nursing Home program a little while back in Cauldwell Nj. But i will say I have never seen a white fraternity or sorority do anything in Newark they weren't gettin paid for.

[Cardiac]

I pointed out 2 books earlier if you read my post. If you want me to point out and name every book I have read or articles I have seen that is impossible cause I honestly don't remember. But if you generally would like to know more than what people teach and tell you then go to the library yourself. Or maybe you just want to have something to say.

I can tell you where i have gained some of my knowledge from: Classes. History of Ancient Civilizations, the African Influece, Ancient Greece, Mythology, Urban Anthropology, Cultural Anthrology, African American Culture (remarkably only a 1 credit course and only half a sememster long, a travisty).......I have also read almost every article that I had the oppurtunity to see that had something to do with African American Life and Africa. (that is one of my major) Criminology, The Middle east Tradition. ( a 400 level course no longer offered because lack of interest)

You know what instead of continuing to telling you what I know and what I have studied why don't you just do the research for yourself. The Library of Congress and MIt database both have pretty extensive online libraries on almost any topic you would like to research. Why don't you do that.

[damasa]

Originally posted by Cardiac
I pointed out 2 books earlier if you read my post. If you want me to point out and name every book I have read or articles I have seen that is impossible cause I honestly don't remember. But if you generally would like to know more than what people teach and tell you then go to the library yourself. Or maybe you just want to have something to say.

I can tell you where i have gained some of my knowledge from: Classes. History of Ancient Civilizations, the African Influece, Ancient Greece, Mythology, Urban Anthropology, Cultural Anthrology, African American Culture (remarkably only a 1 credit course and only half a sememster long, a travisty).......I have also read almost every article that I had the oppurtunity to see that had something to do with African American Life and Africa. (that is one of my major) Criminology, The Middle east Tradition. ( a 400 level course no longer offered because lack of interest)

You know what instead of continuing to telling you what I know and what I have studied why don't you just do the research for yourself. The Library of Congress and MIt database both have pretty extensive online libraries on almost any topic you would like to research. Why don't you do that.

I know of extensive research methods and I have taken a few courses in similarity that you have taken. So you state that you have mentioned two books, that's great. What I am implying is that in almost everyone of your posts I've read "fact this, fact that" or "prove me wrong." If you want your argument to be more believable, simply state how you came to your conclusions and how you found your facts? If you can't do that, it's theory, until you prove it, there is nothing to prove you wrong about there, any scholar would know that, any scholar would cite something that was used as a fact or data in an agrument, just like in any other college level class, agreed?

As for me having something to say, if you have the ability to say something, for the sake of argument, I have the same ability, agreed yet again? It seems as though you would be the one with more to say, considering you started this thread to inform some of us about your organization (which I applaud in so many ways) yet, you also state that you aren't like a GLO, but your org holds many similarities with other GLOs. If these similarities are stolen or not, how do you differentiate if you are "using" some of these similarities?

Stolen or not, your org holds some of the similarities that are used by many other glos, masons, and service orgs as well. To me, that would put your org in the same category.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Cardiac
Also as far as the printing press is concerned it is quite possible that the press was created in Africa or they were the first to have such machines because they did print books. And remmeber Aristole is credited for writing over 10,000 books when any scholar will tell you that it is IMPOSSIBLE for one man to write so much text. Where did he get it from? African Libraries when the Greeks invaded.

Ooooohhhh - I get it . . . jeez, why didn't I just ask any old scholar? They would have pointed me to that 5,000 year old press, still stored in Kurtz's hut I assume.

[librasoul22]

Cardiac, instead of arguing with people who have strayed from the topic, why don't you answer my question, which was:

If your organization is so bent on seperating itself from being a "fraternity" or a "Greek-lettered" organization, then why have you adopted so many characterisitics of BGLO's? Line numbers? Line brothers? LINES?

It just seems to me that your org's entire premise was modeled after that of most BGLO's and then you turn around and talk about other cultures "stealing". Could it be said that you guys "stole" from BGLO's? I agree that much is derived from African culture, and yes, alot of it was stolen. However, to separate yourselves from Greek orgs/ fraternities, all the while, modeling yourselves after them, sounds kinda like the same thing to me...

[Cardiac]

I will put it like this I will not continue to repeat myself or continue to address all of the challenges yall will continue to present to me. I say prove me wrong becuase that would requrie research and when you do the research you will see the facts for yourself.

As far as stealin anything from your organizations, Please. Like I said the things you claim yall started were started by others and are continued by them as well as yall. And I guess someone wants to put words in my mouth because never had I had we distance ourselves from greeks and I even previously stated that we do services and events with the "BGLO" so why is she conituning the same post.

Let me finish by saying this unless you have questions about my brotherhood don't address me cause that is why this thread was started. ONE

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by Cardiac
I will put it like this I will not continue to repeat myself or continue to address all of the challenges yall will continue to present to me. I say prove me wrong becuase that would requrie research and when you do the research you will see the facts for yourself.

As far as stealin anything from your organizations, Please. Like I said the things you claim yall started were started by others and are continued by them as well as yall. And I guess someone wants to put words in my mouth because never had I had we distance ourselves from greeks and I even previously stated that we do services and events with the "BGLO" so why is she conituning the same post.

Let me finish by saying this unless you have questions about my brotherhood don't address me cause that is why this thread was started. ONE

Great deflection. Unfortunatley this thread is not about BGLO's continuing anything. This thread is about YOUR organization. You, yourself, started it to answer questions about YOUR ORGANIZATION. My question was honest, simple, and on-topic. The fact that you are choosing not to answer it says a lot.

Also, in your org's history (as stated in your original post), it states the meaning of the words "groove phi groove" and it is very careful to differentiate bewteen a FRATERNITY and a SOCIAL FELLOWSHIP. It also differentiates between your Phi and the Greek letter Phi. You don't have to SAY that gphig is trying to separate themselves from frats/GLO's, it is implicit.

[Cardiac]

First of all you aren't asking any questions I haven't already answered so why do you keep repeating yourself. How about this you read then write.

Won't sound like such and idiot. Told you i don't repeat myself.

[bro_strawter]

Whoa...I didn't expect to read this much info in regards to G Phi G. I am very familiar with Groove Phi Groove, and Swing Phi Swing. They use to have both orgs on my campus (Tennessee State University) back in the 70s. There are efforts going as we speak to get those type of orgs back on our campus. I won't comment on your history because it's not mine to comment on. So with that being said, I would just like to say keep up the good work, and continue to support our local urban communities.