pan-hel vs. non - Page 3

PhiMuGoddess · #1 10-06-2006, 02:05 PM

K, I'm gonna throw my two cents in, just for fun. This isn't the exact same situation, but I think it has sort of the same principle. So, at my school there were four fraternities, and four national panhellenic sororities. Then comes along Sigma Alpha - a professional sorority. And there was confusion as to what to do since we had never had a non-IFC, non-NPC GLO on campus.

So... we felt they should affiliate with someone in order to enjoy the rights and privileges that Greeks are afforded and sponsor on campus. We invited them to NPC, which didn't end up working out since they must allow in men, and we cannot, but they ended up affiliating with our President's Roundtable, which includes a representative of every Greek/Greek-related organization on campus. A drawn-up agreement exists between us and them... and now we're all happy.

The purpose of all this was to be inclusionary - not to try and force our system on the ladies of Sigma Alpha. We wanted them to be active, involved Greeks on campus, and it's working.

Why is there such a divide between multicultural/ethnic sororities and the more traditional sorority life? We're more alike than different, I'd say. For schools that have separate councils, is there an organization such as our President's Roundtable that your GLOs get together to at least discuss your respective organizations/situations?

KAY10 · #2 10-07-2006, 03:15 AM

I think it's pretty much to each its own. I consider a real fraternity or sorority one that has a lot of history behind it, is financially strong with a lot of members, and most importantly one that is life long, not just in college. Ya know the "Hey I used to be in a fraternity/sorority when I was in college. " That is so lame to me. Those aren't real organizations to me.

BootyKBG · #3 10-18-2006, 01:36 PM

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I think it's pretty much to each its own. I consider a real fraternity or sorority one that has a lot of history behind it, is financially strong with a lot of members, and most importantly one that is life long, not just in college. Ya know the "Hey I used to be in a fraternity/sorority when I was in college. " That is so lame to me. Those aren't real organizations to me.

Lovely Response! I'm an alumni now and actually on the National Board, so I have a whole new perspective since beginning this thread. Unfortunately, not all Pan-hell representatives have this same attitude, and it turns out neither do all of our chapters. This puts us in a situation where Pan-hell may be willing to "absorb" one of our chapters, completely disregarding that we are a National sorority with 89 years of history, that specific chapter with over 50. This is something a Pan-hell sorority is forbidden to do to one of their own sororities. I'm incredibly not fond of Pan-hell as an organization right now.

33girl · #4 10-18-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BootyKBG

Lovely Response! I'm an alumni now and actually on the National Board, so I have a whole new perspective since beginning this thread. Unfortunately, not all Pan-hell representatives have this same attitude, and it turns out neither do all of our chapters. This puts us in a situation where Pan-hell may be willing to "absorb" one of our chapters, completely disregarding that we are a National sorority with 89 years of history, that specific chapter with over 50. This is something a Pan-hell sorority is forbidden to do to one of their own sororities. I'm incredibly not fond of Pan-hell as an organization right now.

Do you mean an NPC sorority chapter at a specific school would absorb one of your chapters?

Or do you mean there's an NPC who wants to absorb all your chapters on a national level?

Either way - NPC would only approve it or not approve it. They can't FORCE another NPC to absorb your chapters, or to not do so, or force YOU to do anything either way. However, since you aren't an NPC right now, they aren't bound to follow any of their inter-member agreements with you.

DeeGeePee · #5 08-09-2002, 10:49 AM

Just to add to serenity, some schools, if a GLO isn't recognized as a part of whatever pan-hel council on campus, they are usually alowed to apply to be a special interest organization through the SGA. You still have to have members as a part of the SGA, which serves as the "larger governing body". But again, they don't have the regulations because they had the balls to go against the grain and start their own thing. Don't hate, congratulate!

SapphireSweetie · #6 08-09-2002, 11:20 AM

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You still have to have members as a part of the SGA, which serves as the "larger governing body". But again, they don't have the regulations because they had the balls to go against the grain and start their own thing. Don't hate, congratulate!

LOL!! I can't be mad at that. But DeeGeePee has a very good point. Everyone is answerable to SOMEBODY. It's only a matter of finding out who that somebody is.

ONElove · #7 09-03-2002, 03:13 PM

Wow! I must have been gone for awhile becuase I have a lot to catch up on....well I just want to say one thing about what has been said on this thread in particular to a certain Stan....

greek Chat is not about bashing other organizations and whether you thinik so or not that is exactly what you did, and yes I forgive you

however....greek chat is about learning about other GLOs and seeing how hey are different from yours and also the same.
Also to touch on a poitn ou made about Ethnic and Multicultural GLos not having to answer to anyone...let me joust speak about what I know...and thats my own sorority Theta Nu Xi Multicultural Sorority Inc.
We are governed by our national board which means that we do have rules and regulations by which we must abide. if we did not then obviously everything would be quite hectic.
At this current time my chapter is not underneath a governing body within the school but we are still recognized as a sorority and thus get treated as such.

Thanks you DeltaSigStan,,, you haev indeed made my day a bit more interesting....

starang21 · #8 09-03-2002, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
That's Fine. If you wAnt to do your multicultural thing, then do it. But if you want to be treated liKE a real GLO, then you have to answer to the same governing bodies that we do.

that's pretty ignorant calling multicultural organizations fake GLO's.

starang21 · #9 09-03-2002, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
That's Fine. If you wAnt to do your multicultural thing, then do it. But if you want to be treated liKE a real GLO, then you have to answer to the same governing bodies that we do.

The body that governs our ethnic GLOs is a joke. They do much worse things to their pledges and are far less organizaed in terms of events of any kind. But they want chapter houses and serious recognition. If that's going to happen then they need to answer to the same strict governing bodies that the real GLOs do.

It's not fair that some Asian frat breaks one of their pledges' legs and it's fine, but if a real fraternity just makes their pledges do push ups in front of their house, they go up for expulsion.

from the way it sounds, you seem pretty resentful at the asian fraternity.

starang21 · #10 09-03-2002, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
I don't have anything against the Divine Nine because you're Service Organizations that also do social events. Add to that, you guys DO answer to a very strict governing body.

so to be a real organizations, you have to do social events? hmm...why don't you go and talk to the brothers of sigma pi phi? i'm pretty sure they don't throw parties like you guys, becuase they're about REAL business and not just getting drunk.

DeltaSigStan · #11 03-16-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
from the way it sounds, you seem pretty resentful at the asian fraternity.

Well, if they can get away with what others can't then, I would have a problem with that.

I just think all greeks should be regulated the same way.

But since a few USFC chapters here are now on social probation, I guess they are now.

AXiDatWCU · #12 04-08-2003, 12:08 AM

As a sister in both a Pan-Hel and non organization (TBSigma-music ) I can say without a doubt that pan-hel has definite advantages. it totally lets you have more opportunities to be active and get your name out on campus. It also makes attracting individuals through rushing easier than trying to do your own rush and competing against theirs. (You get more people to choose from) Also, there is something about having a say in what is usually one of the largest collective organizations on campus... definitely nice to have an impact. Overall, I'd say it helps with the survival of and thriving of your organization.

In my school, TBS is struggling to stay alive, no matter what we do because there is little to no funding. We have to do all our recruiting by ourselves (when I joined there were 4 members, they're up to like 15 now), and because of all the extra work with no say of anything on campus, members often get frustrated, burnt out, and do not stay in longer than a few semester (we've had close to a 40-50% drop rate, in spite of our best efforts and group building activities, etc.). This is not limited just to my group. Other organizations, including but not limited to APhiO, PhiMuAlpha, SAI, Friars/Abbes, KKPsi, etc. are smaller than our IGC greek organizations, have MUCH smaller budgets, and less of an impact on the campus.

Perhaps this is just a phenomenon distinct to my campus, but I'd venture to say it isn't. (At conventions I see many other chapters of KKPsi/TBS are rather small too)

AXiD and most of our other GLO's in IGC are larger. And we've started 3 new groups since 3 years ago, PhiMu, BetaThetaPi, and SAE... all of them are growing like wildfire.

ajuhdg · #13 04-09-2003, 11:20 AM

This is my first day in this chat forum, and I'm floored at this topic! I didn't realize there was so much resentment on both sides. I guess that makes me a naive alumna!

At my school, we had up-and-coming multi-cultural organizations that were oftentimes the most active in our events. We did mixers and other greek week events with them as well. As someone mentioned before, NPC sororities are considered to be traditionally white, this is probably because when they were started only whites were allowed in universities. I'm happy to say, that at least my organization has ignored this 'tradition'. We pledged Hispanic, Asian, and Arab, and I am proud of the diverse faces among my sisters! The only way to get rid of stereotypes is to quit perpetuating them.

Yes, the NPC is a major support for sororities, but obligation is no reason to join. I'm sorry if anyone has felt that they wouldn't be welcomed in an organization because of the color of their skin. I wish you all much luck in your endeavors

Adrienne

DeltA GammA

Forever my sister, forever my friend

OzzyGrl7 · #14 02-06-2005, 02:21 PM

I was just avoiding homework and saw this thread. All of the posts are really interesting. I thought I would add my opinion to the mix. At my university, I can see how MCGLO and BGLO's would be considered "fake." In order to operate under the office of fraternity and sorority life at the university, you must be under an on campus governing council. The options here are PHC, IFC, NPHC, and UCFS. PHC contains only sororities that are a part of the NPC. Several MCGLO formed together to make the United Council of Fraternities and Sororities (UCFS), so that they would have a governing council and thus be recognized by the Office of Fraternity and Sorority Life. I see both sides, and have rushed an MCGLO and a NPC group. I value the experience that both offered, because I truly found where I belonged in Chi Omega.

jubilance1922 · #15 02-06-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by OzzyGrl7
I was just avoiding homework and saw this thread. All of the posts are really interesting. I thought I would add my opinion to the mix. At my university, I can see how MCGLO and BGLO's would be considered "fake." In order to operate under the office of fraternity and sorority life at the university, you must be under an on campus governing council. The options here are PHC, IFC, NPHC, and UCFS. PHC contains only sororities that are a part of the NPC. Several MCGLO formed together to make the United Council of Fraternities and Sororities (UCFS), so that they would have a governing council and thus be recognized by the Office of Fraternity and Sorority Life. I see both sides, and have rushed an MCGLO and a NPC group. I value the experience that both offered, because I truly found where I belonged in Chi Omega.

I still don't see how BGLO's are "fake". The National Pan-Hellenic Council has been in existence since 1930. Campuses that have at least two chapters of NPHC orgs are required to form an NPHC council on their campus. This requirement is stated in the NPHC council by-laws. NPHC has many rules that govern how organizations may behave, not to mention, each individual organization has their own code of conduct.