Snapple and hazing, please contact them!!!

[Thrillhouse]

How many people actually drink snapple anyways? Yeah I forgot about the 231 cases I have in my garage that I buy for me and my friends to enjoy

[dzrose93]

Ignoring a negative stereotype doesn't make it go away, and laughing about it only makes it look as if you feel it's okay to promote that stereotype. Only by speaking up and letting your voice be heard will things begin to change.

Snapple needs to be hit in a way that will make its execs sit up and take notice. In this particular instance, the target is the wallet. By boycotting Snapple and letting them know why we're not buying Snapple products, Greeks get our point across. And it's a very valid point.

Quite honestly, I don't find one thing funny about hazing in a commercial. The Snapple advertisement is in extremely poor taste, and, as someone who works in marketing, I find it to be very unprofessional as well. In my line of work, I've seen countless ads pulled because of offensive material. However, this one takes the cake. I don't see how it even made it through market testing. Makes me wonder if they even bothered to conduct market research before launching the campaign.

[Tom Earp]

I sent e-m and got several replys back from JD or John Strange something!

He said he was greek and I was living in teh past! I need to get with it and update to the real world!

Well needless to say instead of getting into a peeing contest, I erased the e-m!

Greek My ASS!

[FHwku]

Originally posted by aphotoguy


FHwku,
Just for a moment replace the two standing with Cops, and the one laying down with lets say Rodney King. I am sure that a lot of people can "relate" to that. But only you would still think that it is "funny." Your thinking is what makes GDIs like the two responsible for the ad creation think that it is ok to depict beating, yes beating on paddleing OK. Just because the instrument of the beating is only a paddle then I guess it is ok. BULL. I seriously hope that you contact your organization's headquarters and look into alternatives for hazing to build a sense of brotherhood. Beating pledges is not funny and not to me condoned. I hope that you open your eyes to this.
Sincerley,
Eric

To Whom It May Concern:
The Snapple ad was funny. I also thought Animal House was funny. To take either of them at more than face value, would be to bog yourself down in ironic semantics.

Also, never again reference my fraternity in any condescending form or fashion, especially hazing, to me or anyone else. Making any such relationship is absurd and risks placing my fraternity in a bad light, nationally and with our own IFC. GDI is not an appropriate term for those persons unaffiliated with Greek Letter Organizations. And no one I know, appreciates the allusion to the Rodney King "incident." To compare the two, is to degrade the former.

It would be time better spent, if all this damned effort was put forth towards something worthwhile to the rest of the world - not a gosh dang Snapple ad.

I genuinely hope you choose your words more carefully, in the future. Words can be powerul tools to piss people off.

With All Sincerety,
T. Yano
junior WKU
FarmHouse Fraternity
pi 01

[TriSigmaTX]

FHwku:

Why don't you get off your butt and call Snapple and quit bitching here. We are trying to stop the glorifying of hazing and you're just hurting the cause. Who the hell was bashing your fraternity and what the heck are you talking about. Don't take crap personally, but don't complain about those of us that are "do gooders"....have you had a brother die from paddling? Apparently not. Have you had a brother hurt from hazing? End up in the hospital from hazing? Have you been hurt from hazing?

After doing my masters degree thesis on hazing, I cannot believe that anyone Greek would be a proponent of an ad like this. IT IS NOT FUNNY AND NOT SIMPLY AN AD. It is ignorance like you're stating that is hurting our Greek community and your fraternity and my sorority.

Animal House may be lighthearted to some, but I use it as an example in hazing presentations on what NOT to ever do and how you can get arrested for doing so.

Many of us are alluding to other situations so that people like you can see that it's not funny. You apparently didn't think the Rodney King comment was funny, did you????? That's the point! It's not funny to see someone getting paddled.
Why don't you read up on parents of children that have been killed by a paddle or other hazing incidents....is that funny???? No. Read Courtney's Legacy, that's not funny at all. And yes, I'll spend the rest of my life fighting things like this and combatting attitudes like yours.

Your words do piss me off, so as you state, choose them carefully. As you can tell, I'm a little irritated, sorry for the brashness of this post.

INSTEAD OF JOINING IN, LET'S GET RID OF HAZING!!!! Hazing is illegal in 43 states. Paddling is a form of hazing, so paddling is illegal. KEEP CALLING and EMAILING SNAPPLE. Please everyone, please keep this going until we hear that it's removed.

Fraternally,

[FHwku]

There were more Snapple ads. I'm sure the Boy Band Snapple ad wasn't found funny by guys performing in a group comprised of males vocalists. I'm sure some girl was raped, impregnated, or both at some unsupervised party, somewhere. The two snapple bottles peeking into the girl's locker room showers wasn't funny to some people affected by a peeping tom invading their privacy. However, all of these scenes are understood by the general public, on an unspoken level, as comedy. As funny situations we've seen in replicated in several movies, despite any "similarities to real life situations and people." You can't force censorship because you are offended. There are no true repercussions to these Snapple ads. I would think that all impressions left on viewers of the ads are negligable, more dependant on their real contacts. Whether or not I have experience with hazing, has no bearing on CENSORSHIP.

[TriSigmaTX]

First of all, It's Tri Sigma, not Tri Sig.....thanks.

Second of all, YOU ARE SO OFF BASE HERE. The issue we're discussing and trying to combat is hazing, not freedom of speech. If you'd like to go discuss freedom of speech start a new thread. If you'd like to discuss how to reduce negative campaining of Greek life and the reduction of hazing ads in America....then post here in this thread. We're discussing one simple Snapple ad that is detrimental to the future of your fraternity...and any other Greek organization out there. If just one parent saw that ad and decided, "no way, Johnny isn't going to pledge a fraternity", then Snapple has defeated us in a way we could have never predicted.

As you've stated....we all have freedom of speech, and here in this thread we choose to say, "DOWN WITH SNAPPLE". NO, I can't force cencorship, but I can ask Snapple to remove that ad....and so have THOUSANDS of Greeks all over the nation...and non Greeks as well.

p.s. Thanks to ALL of you that have PMed me....I love it! Keep calling and emailing Snapple.

p.s.s. good try

[aphotoguy]

Dear farmboy,

Sorry if you couldn't read between the lines and realize I was talking in a conceptual sense of the ad as how it relates to the Greek community and equating that to any type of "criminal" activity.

For some reason I figured that a junior in college would be able to grasp the analogies I was making. Hazing=Bad. Is that simple enough for you? I am not saying that you haze or that Farmhouse condones hazing, but it is obvious that you don't think that hazing is a problem by your response. TriSigmaTX is right by saying that a mom somewhere could see the ad and when her son asks if he can join XYZ fraternity, she has no frame of reference other than a broken paddle and a pledge lying on the floor.

As an active alumni volunteer for my fraternity I try to emphasize the positive that most Greek members do, rather than the negative things, a few seem to get all the attention. We need to make those few aware of their shortcomings, and instruct them in ways to change their thoughts.

Changing your thoughts and beliefs on hazing is why I posted my original message. Again, not saying you have acted in any way that relates to the ad within your chapter, I don't know you. Your reaction to me is just childish. Once in the real world you will realize even more so how hazing has nothing to do with the fraternal experience that you should be enjoying currently. I hope that people call for the simple fact that the more the general public knows about hazing and the fact that it has nothing to do with fraternities, the better off we will be in the future.

[showstopper_1908]

I thought it was funny too.
Now only if we ca get this type of dedication and input
on important issues.

Fave snapple flavor: Raspberry

Also, before the hate mails comes
(which I don't care too much for)
everyone has a right to write to Snapple if they want.
That's cool, fight the good fight.
I am simply posting my opinion on this forum,
I have that right also.
Good luck with the letters, I wonder if the people
at Snapple care. It would be nice if they did.
However, they are a business.
The ads will probably run as long as any other ad runs
on the air. I may be wrong.

~end~

Originally posted by FHwku
i thought it was funny.

[TriSigmaTX]

Now only if we ca get this type of dedication and input on important issues.

You don't see this as a serious issue??? Have you not watched the news? Have you never read anything about hazing? Have you ever heard of a brother or sister of yours dying from hazing???

People have died from the STUPIDEST things and paddling happens to be one of them. So.....tell me this showstopper: if your child (way off if you had them) came home from college and told you that they had some major problems walking and needed to head to the doctor, I'm sure you'd take them. Then the doctor tells you that some major damage had been done to your childs behind/legs and they would never walk again the same....you'd ask questions wouldn't you? And what if you found out that your kid had been paddled, and this was result of that.

Would it be funny then???

Do you have any idea how many men and women have died as a result of paddling? Thinking it's funny makes me think that you may have participated in paddling or you just plain think it's ok. We in the Greek community are trying to combat this and get rid of it. A Snapple ad is not a funny way to do that.

If you want to start a thread about favorite snapple drinks, go do it in the chit chat, not here. Be respectful.

[damasa]

Originally posted by TriSigmaTX
First of all, It's Tri Sigma, not Tri Sig.....thanks.

Second of all, YOU ARE SO OFF BASE HERE. The issue we're discussing and trying to combat is hazing, not freedom of speech. If you'd like to go discuss freedom of speech start a new thread. If you'd like to discuss how to reduce negative campaining of Greek life and the reduction of hazing ads in America....then post here in this thread. We're discussing one simple Snapple ad that is detrimental to the future of your fraternity...and any other Greek organization out there. If just one parent saw that ad and decided, "no way, Johnny isn't going to pledge a fraternity", then Snapple has defeated us in a way we could have never predicted.

As you've stated....we all have freedom of speech, and here in this thread we choose to say, "DOWN WITH SNAPPLE". NO, I can't force cencorship, but I can ask Snapple to remove that ad....and so have THOUSANDS of Greeks all over the nation...and non Greeks as well.

p.s. Thanks to ALL of you that have PMed me....I love it! Keep calling and emailing Snapple.

p.s.s. good try

Seriously, why don't you take your own advice and keep on calling and emailing Snapple and quit antagonizing FHwku simply because he does not hold the same opinion as you on this subject. Maybe he doesn't want to be part of the "we" or the "cause," in either case, it is his right and opinion to choose and say so on either stance.

Frankly, I do feel that it was a good try for him because he isn't backing down to you, and he shouldn't. Because he doesn't want to do something that you are so strongly trying to get everyone to do? Maybe he would rather focus on other things that are more important to him, like risk awareness and hazing seminars, workshops, informative meetings? Maybe he would rather spend his time talking to his chapter about hazing and the dangers it can/will pose instead of trying to get an ad shut down. Maybe he just stated an opinon in the beginning by saying he thought the ad was funny, and maybe that was all he wanted to say and that is as far as he wanted to get involved.

In yet another post you tell him to quit bitching and get up and call Snapple, maybe you should take your own advice there and quit bitching to him. If you truly want to get this ad removed and to have Snapple apologize publicly, maybe you should focus more on the resources you have for that venture instead of arguing back and fourth with a guy on a messageboard because he is opinionized in a manner that you do not agree with.

Maybe he just doesn't agree with you and that matter ends there, or maybe you don't agree with him because he thought the ad was funny.

Well you know what, I thought the ad was damn funny too. We are talking are talking about Snapple juice bottles.
I know I would personally try to focus on things that would actually make a difference in the hazing matter. Those would be some of the things I included in the above paragraph; seminars, workshops, meetings, awareness weeks, etc. To be honest, I look at the shutting down of this ad to be more of a "saving face" kind of thing for greeklife as opposed to actually winning a battle in the all evil hazing war. It is clear that with as many hazing incidents that we hear about today, not all greeks are aware, and not all greeks care to that extent, and not all greeks are trying to better the name of greeklife, and not all greeks are trying to abolish hazing. I'm not saying I'm an avid supporter of hazing, I'm saying that you should take a step back on this, and focus on your goal, rather than bash someone because they don't feel the same way you do.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by TriSigmaTX


You don't see this as a serious issue??? Have you not watched the news? Have you never read anything about hazing? Have you ever heard of a brother or sister of yours dying from hazing???

I caught her drift. Yes, hazing is a serious issue. But, the issue I have with hazing in contrast to other violence is that it is usually voluntary. There are other types of violence that I think are MUCH more serious than hazing, such as domestic violence and rape. Hazees usually put themselves in those situations and many times they can take themselves out. But, the same isn't true for victims of other types of violent crimes. I also agree that this input and dedication should be used on something more alarming.

[damasa]

Originally posted by TriSigmaTX



Do you have any idea how many men and women have died as a result of paddling?

Please feel free to share with the rest of us these facts, this data and the statistics that represent this claim. It should have been done long ago to sway some people, but until thus is showed, it is merely a claim or an opinion and nothing more.

[showstopper_1908]

You may think what you like, I know the facts about my life
and my organization. Before throwing around accusations or assuming, please do research. I can feel however I want about the ad and I can post it here or anywhere else on greekchat.

Second, I have not been disrecpectful, you have. You ASSumed and made a general statement about my organization, an organization that has worked hard to combat hazing and is doing a great job. We take great steps to prevent it, but seeing as how you know NOTHING about Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated, you wouldn't know that.

http://aka1908.com/akatoday-pol.htm

My statements about the commercial have no connection to my experience in Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.
Looking at it from another perspective, seeing the paddling brings back no nasty memories or stories in my mind, therefore I don't have horrible images of it in my mind. The only paddling I know of is from films. No I have no friends who participate in this act and I don't because I don't stoop to that level, and my organization does not abuse women. Those who know anything about NPHC organizations know our stand on this. As for abusing bottles of iced tea, we have never looked into this issue.

Now if everyone here was so for this brotherhood/sisterhood thing, why not simply explain to us who do not uderstand all of this yin-yang about an ad (in a brotherly/sisterly fashion) why they think they need our help. I won't bring this back to my sorority without being convinced, I have not been convinced.
Maybe another sister will be, then you have helped your cause thus further. Instead, I am being further convinced that this is looney.

As I said before, best wishes with your camapign.
I am curious as to the outcome.

Originally posted by TriSigmaTX
Thinking it's funny makes me think that you may have participated in paddling or you just plain think it's ok. We in the Greek community are trying to combat this and get rid of it. A Snapple ad is not a funny way to do that.

If you want to start a thread about favorite snapple drinks, go do it in the chit chat, not here. Be respectful.

[TriSigmaTX]

Originally posted by damasa


Seriously, why don't you take your own advice and keep on calling and emailing Snapple and quit antagonizing FHwku simply because he does not hold the same opinion as you on this subject. Maybe he doesn't want to be part of the "we" or the "cause," in either case, it is his right and opinion to choose and say so on either stance.

Because...I started this thread and hold this extremely dear to my heart. Same reason that he or you don't stop antagonizing me. I'm pretty sure we're all here for the same reasons, some people just don't know how to express themselves. I have called and emailed Snapple and so have thousands of Greeks and Greek advisors and parents and yes...we're doing something to stop this. If you're not interested in this topic, why post here???? I'm not forcing you or him to do this, I'm asking....read the original thread, I'm asking you to do this...if you don't want to, then move on.

In regards to this quote: "If you truly want to get this ad removed and to have Snapple apologize publicly, maybe you should focus more on the resources you have for that venture instead of arguing back and fourth with a guy on a messageboard because he is opinionized in a manner that you do not agree with."

Instead of assuming....just ask. As I have POLITELY asked, not BASHED Anyone here....please read the hundreds of posts that I have posted and reword your own thoughts. And what am I doing about this besides sitting here bitching????? I'll list for you:

Did my masters thesis on hazing and submitted to my university.
I travel around the nation talking to college students about the harms of hazing and educating them on what hazing is.
I am a Greek advisor and work to educate students on a daily basis.
I read books on a regular basis about hazing and educate myself regularly.
I volunteer with my own sorority to educate students on the effects of hazing on students.
I subscribe to a hazing listserv to educate myself even more.
I attend conferences and workshops on a regular basis to educate myself on hazing.

So....this is my life and my profession, so I have a deep passion for it.


And in response to this comment, "There are other types of violence that I think are MUCH more serious than hazing, such as domestic violence and rape. Hazees usually put themselves in those situations and many times they can take themselves out. But, the same isn't true for victims of other types of violent crimes."

I'm pretty sure that students that joined fraternities or sororities did not ASK to be hazed. I'm sure that these types of hazing are as serious as anything you could have imagined and are very criminal behavior: burying someone alive, playing Russian Roulette with a gun, forcing someone to drink Windex or motor oil, blindfolding someone and dropping them off in the middle of a road to get hit by a car, sleep deprivation to the point of exhaustion, freezing someone, I could go on....these are serious things. More serious than anyone could imagine. Hazing is not just scavenger hunts, non-detrimental paddling, or pledge signature books. It's all of the things I've listed above and more.

I'm trying to educate, which is why I started this thread. No one should bitch at me about a thread that I started...if you don't want to participate, then simply don't. I fully understand that some people are not as educated and don't understand. It's not a matter of agreeing (meaning this is not an example of whether you believe in God or not, or agree with homosexuality or not), it's a matter of legality. Hazing is illegal in 43 states. Check your state laws. Paddling is hazing, hazing is illegal.

So in closing, we should be working toward the same goals, not against them.