Interesting article

[Thrillhouse]

Plus the icon and freethinker, who are one in the same probably, didn't get in to whichever org. they wanted.

[The Icon]

Originally posted by dzrose93
This whole thread has gotten entirely out of hand.

One final thing before I close: Icon, I don't know what group of which you are a member. However, I'd be very willing to bet that not all of your organization's chapter members have halos above their heads. People living in glass houses shouldn't cast stones. So please stop the KA bashing. As Greeks, we should be working together to make things better in our communities -- not tearing each other down by perpetuating stereotypes. If the KA chapter at your alma mater isn't the best in the area, that's fine. But please don't paint the entire KA Order with the same brush you use for the local chapter at your school.

Look, this is getting a bit out of hand, so here's the deal.

1) The only point that I wanted to make was that anyone, KA or otherwise that dresses in the garments of the Southern army is either clinging to some misguided ideal or ignorant of the social implications.

2) You're right. Not all greeks are bad people. Not all KA's are bad people. However, like any organization, Greek or otherwise, you'll always be jusged by the most visible and vocal members. Unfortunalty, they tend to be the ones that present the most negative image.


By the way, and for the last time, I am one man.

[West Texas KA]

Guys Guys Guys,
Listen, you guys are never going to change each others mind. The fact is you too posted these comments on our form. You are attacking things that we love so of course Billy is going to be upset. I am too. Not all KA's are racist idiots. I have a friend that witnised the UNT event. SHe said it was one guy making all the others look bad. The were not all yelling racist remarks like you make it sound. The president of the chapter told the guy not to take the battle flag. So one guy made all the rest look bad. Same things with those other chapters. We are not bad people. We are in a fraternity which we love and believe in. If we didn't we wouldn't be in it. You are not going to change what we as KA believe any more than we are gonna change you. As for the "DO YOUR REASERCH" you can find anything on the web to support what you think.. The difference between us and you is that we have not taken the time out of our schedules to find it. That does not mean it is not out there. OH ya not all frat guys are druken alcholics. Some of us actually know about are Fraternity and get pissed when ill in formed people attack it. If you have not seen our initation than none of you know about KA truely there for you are ill-informed.
" For God and the Ladies"
Kappa Alpha Order

P.S. Thanks to the DZ Rose for the kind words of encouragement. Greeks should truely deffend each other and not bash each others traditions.

[freethinker]

Jeez... ya take a couple of days off of the Internet, and what happens?

Anyway, I'd like to wholeheartedly agree with Icon's last statement. It is getting a bit out of hand.

And, taking a cue from Icon (search for posts he's made, they're frickin' hilarious), I've got an idea to finish the discussion.

As such, I say we handle it in bear suits. Fights at my place, next Friday night. I'll even let KA members wear their Confederate garb (over the bear suit, of course).

If I win, Statesboro, GA KA guys can't wear grey. If anyone else wins, I'll cry (like the dateless homosexual wonder that the general consensus says I am).

If somebody dies, then we'll say it's a tragic hunting accident, or hazing gone awry.

[lilly27]

I was just wondering if you know the guys in KA at GSU?

[KABillyMac]

So since we have all agreed to disagree, does that mean that you will be crawling back under the stouthouse rock now?

[seaprincess]

HI EVERYONE, THIS IS THE PERSON WHO STARTED THIS THREAD...AND I HAVE TO ADD THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN OF NO HELP WHAT-SO-EVER, AND MY ESSAY IS DUE TOMORROW(APRIL 30TH) SO THATS GREAT... THANKS EVERYONE


AND FREETHINKER...I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE DISTURBED BY ANYONE THAN I AM BY YOU. PLEASE CALL: 1-800-CHECK-MY-HEAD

[KABillyMac]

Sorry, this is not the thread you started.

Good luck with you paper.

[Lil_G]

Well maybe you shouldn't have waited 6 days before it was due to start your research...especially from random ppl off the internet, you should have contacted individuals from your school....

[dzrose93]

Originally posted by seaprincess
HI EVERYONE, THIS IS THE PERSON WHO STARTED THIS THREAD...AND I HAVE TO ADD THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN OF NO HELP WHAT-SO-EVER, AND MY ESSAY IS DUE TOMORROW(APRIL 30TH) SO THATS GREAT... THANKS EVERYONE


AND FREETHINKER...I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE DISTURBED BY ANYONE THAN I AM BY YOU. PLEASE CALL: 1-800-CHECK-MY-HEAD

It would probably have been better for you to post this in Greek Life rather than in a single fraternity forum. Not nearly as many people visit the KA forum as compared to the general Greek Life forum.

However, I must say that you will probably get more detailed and relevant information from people on your own campus rather than people on the internet. The reason is that it's very hard to know if someone is telling the truth online, and you don't want your paper to be based on a bunch of comments that may or may not be the truth. It's much easier to determine if a comment is factual if you actually know the person already and can speak with him/her face to face about your subject matter.

Good luck. Hope you get your paper finished in time.

[revjack]

"FreeThinker"
I read your article with the express purpose of giving you the benefit of the doubt. I assumed that you would at least know some of the facts about which you wrote. Clearly, you are quite unaware of a number of facts.

1. The major cause for the war between the states was NOT slavery. (I realize that this has been taught as fact since the late 1800s... In fact, I was taught this as a child in a GA elementary school.) The major cause was a confederation of states wanted a government that was less federalized. They wanted each state to have the authority to govern themselves. Lincoln, a good man in a difficult situation, used slavery as a tool to turn the tide in the war. (This nearly backfired, since slavery was prevelant in the north as well.)

2. The "Old South" about which you think you are writing is really only the "recent old south." The Old South celebrated and honored by the gentlemen of the Kappa Alpha Order is much older than the 1920s and 30s. The ideals that were held, chilvalry and honor, are what we celebrate. (You will notice that I used the term "gentlemen"... That is who we are. We have no need to write or speak with the type of language you use.) We are more than capable of getting our point across without the use of vulgarities.

3. The "wanton rape of black women..." that you speak of did unfortunately happen. This is unexcusable. However, it is clear to me that your idea of what the "old south" was like comes from books such as "Uncle Tom's Cabin." (While this is an important piece of literature in our history, it is FICTION!) One should read more than just biased, one-sided literature before assuming they are "educated" on a subject.

Sure you have a right to your opinion about who were are and what we do. However, there is nothing that our Order indorses that glorifies the institution of slavery. We do not seek to bring back the ills of the past, but to bring back that which we have lost that will only make life better. How can someone say that it is wrong to treat a woman as a lady? How can someone say that it is wrong to honor God? How can someone say that we must limit our constitutional and God-given right to free speech because someone might be offended due to their own ignorance. That, dear sir, is unfortunately what you have to deal with. You are ignorant of many facts. And I would suggest that until you learn more on this subject, you should refrain from maligning the many great men about whom you speak.

As Mark Twain wrote: "It is better to not speak and be thought a fool, than to speak and prove it."

[The Icon]

Everyone go home, threads over, nothing to see here.

[baby_KA83]

okay that article disturbed the sh*t out of me. I am an African-American KA and damn proud of it. It doesn't mean I "turned my back on my own people" or that I am a "sell out" cause I know where I came from and where I'm going. I don't give a f*ck what anyone thinks of me being a member of Kappa Alpha Order. Being a gentleman is something that our parents taught us WAY before we knew what a fraternity was (with the exception of KA legacies). The guy who wrote that can eat a fat d*ck (excuse my language) and for whoever spent an inordinate amount of time on diggin' dirt up on the Order, go to Riverside's chapter in CA or come to my chapter in Oklahoma City and get proven wrong. And someone said it before me there are other frats and sororities who aren't as squeaky clean either so if you are going to attack us, attack the ENTIRE greek system in the U.S. but don't come f*ckin' with us only.

Peace easy