Social vs. Service

[mgaylor]

How do you know? Seriously, how do you know that EVERY chapter doesn't? They could tell you that they don't... but are they telling the truth?

Originally posted by ECUGSS:

I know that none of the Gamma Sigma Sigma chapters can have pledge periods longer than 10 weeks, so I dont know who you are talking about there.

[ECUGSS]

Originally posted by mgaylor:
How do you know? Seriously, how do you know that EVERY chapter doesn't? They could tell you that they don't... but are they telling the truth?

How do I know what? That they cant have pledge periods longer than 10 weeks? Well, I know that because I am a sister of a GSS chapter. They have to send in the date that the girls are activated and its all simply math to figure out if it was longer that 10 weeks. How do YOU know that there are doing longer than 10 weeks, are you counting the number of weeks??

[SigTauJake]

You are saying that just because they say it on a piece of paper that they are telling the truth. Paperwork does not always tell the truth, and it is easy to count the weeks of the other pledge programs on campus, just by comparing them to your own.

[ECUGSS]

Originally posted by SigTauJake:
You are saying that just because they say it on a piece of paper that they are telling the truth. Paperwork does not always tell the truth, and it is easy to count the weeks of the other pledge programs on campus, just by comparing them to your own.

If you feel that they are doing it for longer than 10 weeks, why dont you take it to the administration?

[mgaylor]

Because I don't care what they're doing-- that's why I won't report them. It doesn't concern me. I was just trying to point out that maybe some of the people who wrote earlier may be right. Trying to be fair to everyone and smooth over some of the tension in the room. *Thanks Jake, you have a good point about ECUGSS's reply.

(P.S. Jake, I talked to Ronk last night, way to stir up some peeps on the net!)

[mgaylor]

Originally posted by ecukd:
P.S. JayBEE...I never said that you did not have insurance. I said we wouldn't plan an event with uninsusred/underinsured groups. That may or may not include you. When I say insurance, I mean the same all NPC chapter's must have to cover SOCIAL events, where there is alcohol present.

Drinking is a difficult issue and if I were a social chair, I would not plan an event with any groups that did not meet our risk management standards, that may or may not include your group, but at ECU that includes service, local, and teams. I don't think my group is too high and mighty to have an event with these groups, I know my chapter is more important than a party that may or may not result in an accident that will jeapordize(sp?) my chapter/members.

It is too important to slide by and be PC about this topic. We shouldn't mix until we have the same rules, like NPC and IFC. We have rules contingent on the others.

If you want to dispute the fact that social organizations don't do as much service as yours go ahead, be my guest! Service groups were founded for that purpose, right?

As for a greek week event, it would be up to the council to invite who they want. Our greek week is funded by IFC, so they get to decide who can participate if it can down to that. But our events, like Greek Sing are in bars and no one can say who can and cannot come.

I wish we could all accept that we joined different groups for a reason, and yes that may mean, we don't do everything everyone else does!

AMEN!

[binks]

Everyone seems to be getting angry over nothing. I was a service greek and I transferred and now i am a social greek. I see both points, but people are making such a big deal out of this! NPC and IFC groups are allowed to mix with other groups, some don't but most do (at my school). I enjoy it because i get bored of the same people. When i was in a service sorority, we did mixers and most of the guys we did them with liked it cause it was different. The more we fight over this, the worse it looks. I want to enjoy the rest of my college career not listen to people fight over who can have mixers with who and who can't!! It's just silly to me!!

[skegee4me]

well i am a Gamma Sig and i know that some chapters dont follow the rules but that goes for any greek letter org...
i dont see the problem with service orgs..
if you dont like them dont deal with them...
whats the big problem? i dont understand
maybe beucase i attended a HBCU we didnt have these issues where i attended....

Can't we all just get along?

[SigTauJake]

I started this thread, and I DON'T have a problem with Service Greeks. I think they are a great addition to any campus. The problem is when a group that does not follow the IFC and Panhel rules on a campus, starts having mixers with groups that do. We, social groups, pay enormous amounts of money towards insurance to cover our asses. If someone gets hurt at our house, we get in huge trouble. If a girl from a social sorority gets hurt, they have insurance too. But if it is a service, they don't. I am just saying that service sororities are doing things on our campus that they shouldn't be, because it is against the rules at MY campus. I just wanted to know what it was like at other campuses. I never said service sorority girls couldn't be socail and have friends, and couldn't hang out. People read things on here and just twist them in their heads. It just gets out of control. This is a perfect example.

[gamma_girl52]

Well SigTau, you started it

But seriously...this is truly an example of how greeks are different on different campuses. I'm also a Gamma Sig on my campus and we don't have this problem. Then again, my school is not a "traditional" one either-as I said before, our campus is right smack in the middle of Downtown Atlanta. So when you hear the word "greek" on my campus, that's EVERYBODY-GLO's, BGLO's, LGLO's, Service, Asian, Multi-Cultural, everyone. And we don't have a problem doing things together-all this stuff about insurance and liability are not even an issue.

Like binks said, this is a rather useless debate. It's different everywhere, and as I have seen, Gamma Sig is not even considered a greek organization on some campuses. Other places, they are. If you want to do an event with us, cool. If you don't, that's fine too. If you don't think that service greeks should mix with "social" greeks due to insurance and dues and what have you, cool. At the end of the day, I'm still a Gamma Sig and you are still a (insert your organization here) whether we mix or not. I'm just as proud to be a Service greek as you are of your organization.

So let's wrap this up and agree to disagree

In Service,
gamma_girl

[SigTauJake]

I am all about doing events with GSS. I would support thier philanthropy and fundraising events, as I hope they would support mine. I would have no problem coming together with a chapter of GSS and doing a project with them. I am just saying it is against the rules at my school to have a social function strictly with GSS. We love it when we get some GSS girls at our house on the weekends, because it adds variety, and we like that.

Lets agree to agree that it is different at every campus, and leave it at that.

[skegee4me]

humm this is interesting…
why would GSS have to follow the rules of the social orgs?
we are not a part of any panhell….
I do understand the whole liability issue but I don’t understand
the point of this thread..
like I stated before I attended a HBCU.. So my campus
culture was very different…….

[JayBEE!]

First you say ........

Originally posted by SigTauJake:
Lately, like the last two years, the service sororities have been having mixers with some of the houses on campus, and participating in certain events, usually left up to the social houses.......... one service sorority participated in Greek Sing, although they do not participate in Greek Week... but if they would have placed in the top three, those points they collected would of been wasted, since they do not participate in Greek Week. Is this right?....... They do not pay the same fees on campus, such as Panhel.... I am not sure where I stand...... It is like they are trying to be a social house, but hide behind the letters of a service organization.......... No one on campus watches them when they have "pledges" and they have been known to haze and have pledges for 12+ weeks...... Does this seem strange to anyone else, or is this normal and it is finally just happening at our campus? Let me know.

Then you say.....

Originally posted by SigTauJake:
I started this thread, and I DON'T have a problem with Service Greeks. I think they are a great addition to any campus. The problem is when a group that does not follow the IFC and Panhel rules on a campus, starts having mixers with groups that do. We, social groups, pay enormous amounts of money towards insurance to cover our asses. If someone gets hurt at our house, we get in huge trouble.

Let me say that your initial statement sounds like it has a goal to discourage a relationship from service organizations. the second statement begins to understand but places a barrier in the form of rules. As if or NSO has none to follow. Let's remove all of your mights and maybe's. You have to look at a greek lettered service organization s as just national greek lettered organizations that has service as their primary goal. And their are NSOs that are apart of Pan hell. The point I'm making is just because we are not apart of a council it doesn't mean that our chapter do not have to answer to somebody. If somebody gets hurt? we've had people die within our chapters. So yes it's a big deal and our chapters feel it just like you feel it, maybe even worst. But if we go back to the first statement, we can see that this is a thread that started out to discourage and make sense of what we didn't know about. And as the thread began to grow we achieved more understanding and respect for each others organization. This is doesn't account for the bases of this thread, because the tone is still there. But the excuses are beginning to shrink. There is no reason not to include but this is how it's always been done. Is it possible to peacefully coexist, it happens on several campuses already by these same NSO organizations.

So whats the problem? The problem comes down to the solidification of NSOs and their members while their National has decided not to be apart of any governing council. Something any organization can do. But should the local chapter be shun because of it. These NSO's have to coexist on campus as a GLO as well as other GLOs that are in Councils. We have to attract from the same people and let individuals choose which organization they want to be with. It doesn't provide Non-Counciled NSOs with any
advantage to not be apart, just as it wouldn't hurt any counciled-Social-NSOs to include, co-sponsor, have joint mixers, attend any events with NSO organizations. So I'm like Skeegee4me, there isn't any point to this thread. But I also believe that all GLO's stopping by could learn a little from this thread. It doesn't matter if your for or against it. We both exist. It's the coexistence that you have to accept at an individual level.

JayBEE


[This message has been edited by JayBEE! (edited June 18, 2001).]

[lovelyivy84]

Hasn't this topic been beaten to death?

Folks in service orgs, you KNOW by now that not all greeks are going to like you or what you do. WHy do you care? DO your service, be about your business and let it go! You are not going to change any minds- the same people that don't like them aren't going to change their opinions regardless of what you say.

[JayBEE!]

Originally posted by lovelyivy84:
Hasn't this topic been beaten to death?

Folks in service orgs, you KNOW by now that not all greeks are going to like you or what you do. WHy do you care? DO your service, be about your business and let it go! You are not going to change any minds- the same people that don't like them aren't going to change their opinions regardless of what you say.

Dag what with the bad attitude. You see something positive and you want to spit in it. Your comments aint even neccessary, because not everybody feels like you want them to. Matter of fact several social greeks feel exactly the opposite as what your trying to portray. So you have to look at it like, if you have a negative feeling towards NSO's, your the one with the problem!!