The Debates- 2012 - Page 3

honeychile · #31 10-10-2012, 03:33 PM

DH & I were seriously bummed that he has to work Thursday nights. We were planning one of those "drink every time someone mentions Big Bird (the Libyan embassy, Mormons, etc) parties, and were hoping for a Friday night. I had already claimed "Totally plastered by 8:45pm".

justgo_withit · #32 10-11-2012, 09:41 PM

Get 'em.

MaggieXi · #33 10-12-2012, 10:34 AM

I'm an undicided voter (registered independent). I personally don't like either choices for President. I watched some of the Presidential debates last week and was annoyed at both of them and had to change the channel half way through the debate (which wasn't really a debate bc Obama never challenged Romney).

I watched last nights debate and this is what I came away with: 1) we are far too involved in so many wars 2) Biden is Biden - off the cuff, tries hard to appeal to the average person and can be condescending 3) Ryan is a puppet of the Republican party chosen based on his looks and youth and was overly scripted. I also found him to be patronizing to Biden and the audience. 4) Biden can't be on national TV without mentioning Scranton.

DGTess · #34 10-12-2012, 12:48 PM

[QUOTE=MaggieXi;2184232]I'm an undicided voter (registered independent). I personally don't like either choices for President. I watched some of the Presidential debates last week and was annoyed at both of them and had to change the channel half way through the debate (which wasn't really a debate bc Obama never challenged Romney).

You don't have to settle for "either". Unless you're determined to vote for one of them, so you might pick a "winner", you have two other choices with a (theoretical) mathematical chance of winning -- Gary Johnson (L) and Jill Stein (G). There are plenty of other candidates on some state ballots, too. Only four have a mathematical chance based on vote and Electoral College. You can make a statement.

honeychile · #35 10-12-2012, 02:11 PM

I didn't get to see the debates at all - my mil "needed" to be taken to dinner.

I did, however, get my jollies today. On the local CBS affiliate, the perky, bright-eyed newscaster said, "According to the polls with likely voters, Joe Biden won the debate with 50%."

Obviously, she was not a math major, and there were some shenanigans going on. It made my day, however!

LAblondeGPhi · #36 10-12-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

I didn't get to see the debates at all - my mil "needed" to be taken to dinner.

I did, however, get my jollies today. On the local CBS affiliate, the perky, bright-eyed newscaster said, "According to the polls with likely voters, Joe Biden won the debate with 50%."

Obviously, she was not a math major, and there were some shenanigans going on. It made my day, however!

I read that poll and thought the same thing, but 19% of people thought Ryan and Biden tied, and only 31% thought Ryan won.

PiKA2001 · #37 10-12-2012, 03:06 PM

^^ Beat me to it.

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Originally Posted by honeychile

I didn't get to see the debates at all - my mil "needed" to be taken to dinner.

I did, however, get my jollies today. On the local CBS affiliate, the perky, bright-eyed newscaster said, "According to the polls with likely voters, Joe Biden won the debate with 50%."

Obviously, she was not a math major, and there were some shenanigans going on. It made my day, however!

It might have been Biden with 50%, Ryan with 40%, 10% undecided.

cheerfulgreek · #38 10-13-2012, 12:54 AM

I recorded the most recent debate, but I haven't watched it, yet. My thoughts on the first debate between Romney and Obama: I thought Romney clearly won the visuals of the debate. I mean, he communicated clearly, he was confident and poised, and he appeared "Presidential". It's just that his arguments, however, were typical Romney, full of untruths and half-truths.

His move to the center was just another attempt to etch-a-sketch his way to the presidency and another example of how unprincipled a man he really is.

AGDee · #39 10-13-2012, 01:47 AM

As governor of Massachusetts, Romney was very much in the center. That's pretty much the only way a Republican can lead a very Democratic state like MA. They are one of the most liberal states in the nation. He's actually pandering more to the conservatives during this election. I would have liked him more if he'd stay true to his original "moderateness".

The biggest irony I find with him is the health care reform issue. Obamacare was modeled after what Massachusetts did under Romney. Romney endorsed it. But he says it isn't good for the rest of the country and states should do it on their own. There are aspects of it, like being able to sell insurance across state lines, that can't happen if it isn't done on a national level.

What was most troublesome to me about last night's debate was Ryan's comments about foreign policy that seemed to indicate that we should be taking more military action in the Middle East with Iran, Syria, etc. While I think we need to be watchful over things like Iran's developing a nuclear program, I want to see my tax dollars taking care of the huge issues we have at home. We don't need another Iraq.

PiKA2001 · #40 10-13-2012, 02:30 PM

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As governor of Massachusetts, Romney was very much in the center. That's pretty much the only way a Republican can lead a very Democratic state like MA. They are one of the most liberal states in the nation. He's actually pandering more to the conservatives during this election. I would have liked him more if he'd stay true to his original "moderateness".

Romney is very much a moderate but the devil with politics is that as a nominee you have to at least give some lip service to the party platform. Does that make him "unprincipled"? I don't believe so....he's just politicking. I like that his main focus is going to on the economy, creating more jobs and opportunities for business instead of creating some massive entitlement that sink us financially faster than Medicare and social security combined.

I do find some irony that people on the left refer to Mitt's "moderateness" as though its bad and that voters should run from especially when he was the last choice for the tea party, conservative crowds. Just be grateful that its Romney and not Bachmann, Cain, or Santorum that has a 50% chance of getting elected next month to lead this country.

TonyB06 · #41 10-13-2012, 05:22 PM

Mitt Romney has held so many positions over the years that calling him a "moderate" is a concession to civility, at best.

Were he to be elected by the money of the Koch brothers and the impetus of the Tea Party and the birthers, they would most definitely call the tunes for him.

In short, they'd walk him like a dog.

PiKA2001 · #42 10-13-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyB06

Mitt Romney has held so many positions over the years that calling him a "moderate" is a concession to civility, at best.

Were he to be elected by the money of the Koch brothers and the impetus of the Tea Party and the birthers, they would most definitely call the tunes for him.

In short, they'd walk him like a dog.

Oh rly? So if Obama was to be reelected by the money of George Soros and the impetus of the occupy anarchists, would they most definitely call the tunes for Obama? No, the democratic politicians are totally not about that, that's just a republican thing, right?

TonyB06 · #43 10-13-2012, 06:07 PM

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Oh rly? So if Obama was to be reelected by the money of George Soros and the impetus of the occupy anarchists, would they most definitely call the tunes for Obama? No, the democratic politicians are totally not about that, that's just a republican thing, right?

If President Obama had the history of shifting policy positions that Romney does (even minus the glaring examples of the last two weeks) you might have a comparative point to consider. Given that he hasn't, your apples-to oranges comparison doesn't hold.

PiKA2001 · #44 10-13-2012, 06:20 PM

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If President Obama had the history of shifting policy positions that Romney does (even minus the glaring examples of the last two weeks) you might have a comparative point to consider. Given that he hasn't, your apples-to oranges comparison doesn't hold.

I'm talking about being swayed by political contributions, etc, not just policy shifts (even though Obama has had policy shifts i.e, gay marriage). I take it you're not familiar with the whole Solyndra scandal that cost us half a billion dollars? So yes, my comparison does hold because Obama has been bought.

AGDee · #45 10-13-2012, 08:28 PM

They all pander to the people who give them money. Until we have a major campaign reform, that will be a reality.

I don't talk about Mitt's 'moderateness' as a bad thing. I talk about his new found conservationism as a bad thing.

My two biggest concerns are that he wanted to let the auto industry tank and that he wants to get rid of Obamacare. I don't think most people who don't work in health care understand how precarious that system is. It is headed toward total collapse and we don't have time to argue about it. Changes need be made ASAP. If the health care system collapses like the banks and auto industry did, the effects will be felt everywhere.