Starting a New Fraternity or Sorority Chapter - Page 3

AlphaFrog · #31 10-24-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by taudelt1910

AlphaFrog, there are hard and fast rules to joining the NPC. Unfortunately, for whatever reason no new organiztion has been able to conform to those standards since 1951. I am not criticizing the NPC, they have their reasons for not opening up to new organizations. However, I think you are casting aspersions when you say that women's organizaitons who ARE NOT NPC are less safe or are someway deficient.

RIF...I said NOTHING of the sort. The grades example was just a way to use rush terms to explain that they didn't meet minimum requirements to join NPC and it's not that we just don't like them enough to extend them an invitation. I was not implying that they were deficent when it comes to Greek life. There are campi that have NO NPCs and have a much stronger Greek life that many universities that do have NPCs. Those groups would probably start to struggle if all of a sudden they had to abide by NPC rules. Not because they are inferior, simply because that's not how they operate and thrive.

AOII Angel · #32 10-24-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by taudelt1910

DubaiSis and AnotherKD...thanks for the responses. Dubai, I think you are partly right...I think that different situations call for different things. For example, if a girl who wanted to found an NPC organization on campus but couldn't because of the campus policies, greenbook policies, etc. There are alternatives out there. There are about 5 or 6 sororities that aren't NPC, but have all the features of an NPC organization. They are older orgs as well, BUT for one reason or another NPC has never opened the tradegroup to them. They are valid alternatives to NPC groups. This is JUST an example of how someone who has national experience knows the options that are out there.

As far as the fact that there are other people who "have this thread" that's fine, I will be a copy-cat, it doesn't bother me...at the bottom of MY page it says similar threads were posted in 2008, 2007, 2004, etc.

There should be a thread, heck maybe even a FORUM dedicated to people who want to be Greek and need the information to get there.

Not trying to be back and forth here...

I'm sure you think you're helping these groups out, but did you know that in the past several years there have been at least two of these chapters that have given up their affiliation with one of these groups to become an NPC organization. They wanted the "NPC experience" and didn't get it from the non- NPC group. These are not also ran organizations that girls can turn to just because they can get a quick fix when the NPC turns them down so suggesting that as an alternative at Arkansas (your answer to DubaiSis' scenario) is LUDICROUS. Their are implications and consequences to your actions. Small national organizations have to be deliberate and cautious when competing on a campus with NPC organizations that have far more resources. They haven't joined NPC because we would stifle they're growth when they would have to compete for expansion opportunities like the rest of us do. You can ask the smaller NPCs already how creative they have to be to win out against the bigger NPC groups in that model.

amIblue? · #33 10-24-2011, 10:52 AM

Dude, you should have just stayed in your lane. I wouldn't dream of advising men about how to start a fraternity chapter. Same goes for you and sororities. While fraternities and sororities are GLOs, they are definitely two different beasts.

Since you posted your contact info on the other thread, I checked out your fraternity's website. As it appears that your organization is really focused on expansion, best of luck in growing your fraternity.

DrPhil · #34 10-24-2011, 11:01 AM

He seems to be trying to sell his fraternity to anyone who is interested. That would not seem so desperate and lame if this was not done via Greekchat/Internet.

taudelt1910 · #35 10-24-2011, 12:55 PM

I am really shocked at how Rude you all are. Definitely a demonstration of Greek Unity.

I don't have to "stay in my own lane." I can have an opinion...this is the United States.

I am not just advertising my own fraternity, we have an expansion program, and in the last three years we have doubled the size of our organization. I figured, as an educator--as is my background, that it would be a good idea to host a thread for people who want to become Greek but don't know how. You all disagree, that's fine. All I asked you to do was to "stop hating" as the kids say, lol. But, even that is impossible.

It seems as though you want to take ANYTHING I say and make it controversial. Are you really that scared of people starting new chapters? I embrace the idea of people starting new chapters regardless of whether it is mine or another organization.

If you guys want to use this thread to fight, I can fight with you all day. I have a lot of experience in Greek Life, and while some of you are talking out of your.... I find this totally entertaining.

Yes, I did post on that other post my contact info. I figured it might be easier for the kid to ask questions via email before being told "don't fall into the founderitis syndrome..."

AlphaFrog · #36 10-24-2011, 01:04 PM

It's ok...you can take your ball and go home. We'll make due with Wii Golf.

taudelt1910 · #37 10-24-2011, 01:07 PM

My ball isn't going anywhere AlphaFrog. Don't you worry!

knight_shadow · #38 10-24-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by taudelt1910

I don't have to "stay in my own lane." I can have an opinion...this is the United States.

I haven't been that invested in this thread, but I did want to comment on this.

It is best to "stay in your lane" when giving advice about GLO expansion. The procedures for bringing a new NPHC chapter vs bringing a new NIC chapter vs bringing a new NALFO chapter, etc. are very different. This is what folks are referring to. Opinions don't help in these situations.

taudelt1910 · #39 10-24-2011, 01:10 PM

Knight, I didn't say I was the expert in every category. However, on the kid, Lui, who wants to start a new FRATERNITY I noticed that all the women who were saying, "stay in your lane" had no problem chiming into his comments. Double standard much? I do have experience working with NALFO, NIC, NPC, and NPHC groups. I am not an expert in all areas, but I did put it out there that what I don't know, I can find out.

AlphaFrog · #40 10-24-2011, 01:14 PM

Why does this feel like a reincarnation of that one guy who thought he could tell us which forums we could post on?

GC bends not to the will of a single poster.

knight_shadow · #41 10-24-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by taudelt1910

Knight, I didn't say I was the expert in every category. However, on the kid, Lui, who wants to start a new FRATERNITY I noticed that all the women who were saying, "stay in your lane" had no problem chiming into his comments. Double standard much? I do have experience working with NALFO, NIC, NPC, and NPHC groups. I am not an expert in all areas, but I did put it out there that what I don't know, I can find out.

You're talking about a different thread now.

In this thread, though, folks are talking about your comments re: NPC. The NPC is an entirely different animal, so it's best for NPC women to comment.

As far as your last sentence -- none of us are experts on everything, but it's really not your job to be. In NALFO and some NIC organizations, the aspirant is the one who needs to do the legwork, NOT an internet username.

I think you're making this into more than what it is. Just keep a lookout for NIC/IFC threads and give advice in those threads. Then, we can all live happily ever after.

MysticCat · #42 10-24-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by taudelt1910

It seems as though you want to take ANYTHING I say and make it controversial. Are you really that scared of people starting new chapters? I embrace the idea of people starting new chapters regardless of whether it is mine or another organization.

Why do you assume that if people think this thread may shed more heat than light or that if people challenge what you're saying (for example, about sororities), they are "scared of people starting new chapters"? They may be concerned about people trying to start new chapters getting bad or irrelevant advice.

Meanwhile, I can't say I've seen any really rude responses in this thread.

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Originally Posted by taudelt1910

Knight, I didn't say I was the expert in every category. However, on the kid, Lui, who wants to start a new FRATERNITY I noticed that all the women who were saying, "stay in your lane" had no problem chiming into his comments. Double standard much? I do have experience working with NALFO, NIC, NPC, and NPHC groups. I am not an expert in all areas, but I did put it out there that what I don't know, I can find out.

No, it's really not a double standard. In the case of the other thread, the comments related to dealing with the Greek Life office (if there is one) or the school administration -- something all GLOs deal with regardless of council, umbrella group or type.

In this thread, the "stay in your lanes" came when you talked about the NPC not taking new members and "valid alternatives" to the NPC.

amIblue? · #43 10-24-2011, 01:19 PM

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, but when you set yourself up as an expert on a public forum about something you don't know about (i.e., sororities NPC or otherwise), you better be ready for people to point it out to you. As this is America, as you so aptly pointed out, we are also entitled to tell you why your opinion is wrong. I don't believe anyone has been rude to you on this thread, unless being rude is telling you why you're wrong. When I say stay in your lane, that's about as politely as I can say shut up, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I don't think that having a thread about how to start a GLO is a bad thing. That being said, your advice as to how to go about it, as several of us have pointed out to you in this thread and the other one, is wrong.

Post your email address away. Most people on GC have learned to PM that type of info. There have been some issues on GC with people giving away too much personal contact info online and some negative consequences in real life, but hey, it's your real life.

I don't believe any of us are threatened by new groups. Most of the NPC sororities in my neck of the woods are bursting at the seams and campi could use some new chapters to get the chapters back down to a manageable size. New groups coming onto campuses doesn't always work. Ask someone who knows about Arkansas to explain that one to you.

Again, as I sincerely wished you earlier, best of luck in your expansion efforts.

taudelt1910 · #44 10-24-2011, 01:23 PM

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No, it's really not a double standard. In the case of the other thread, the comments related to dealing with the Greek Life office (if there is one) or the school administration -- something all GLOs deal with regardless of council, umbrella group or type.

See, here you are incorrect. NIC's don't require there to be an IFC on campus in order to expand, if two NPC groups exist on a campus, they do. So that gives the men's groups more leeway in expansion. So, maybe you should "stay in your lane." As I have been advised so often.

I'm not upset you disagree with me AT ALL. Feel free to continue doing so.

AlphaFrog · #45 10-24-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, it's really not a double standard. In the case of the other thread, the comments related to dealing with the Greek Life office (if there is one) or the school administration -- something all GLOs deal with regardless of council, umbrella group or type.

See, here you are incorrect. NIC's don't require there to be an IFC on campus in order to expand, if two NPC groups exist on a campus, they do. So that gives the men's groups more leeway in expansion. So, maybe you should "stay in your lane." As I have been advised so often.

I'm not upset you disagree with me AT ALL. Feel free to continue doing so.

I'm missing where MysticCat said anything about IFC. He said Greek life office. Even if there is no GL Office, it would fall under Student Activities or another similar department. Stop trying to nitpik to prove you're The Expert.