Intentional Single Preference (ISP) is Bad

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Jill1228

First bid list is in alphabetical order, so if the legacy has a last name starting with A, she will be at the top of the first bid list

No. If you have 30 legacies, and quota is 25, you must decide which 25 go on the first list. You don't just alphabetize those 30 and say sorry to Suzie Zimmerman.

[AOII Angel]

Groups that require their legacies be on their first bid list would release any legacies they couldn't issue bids to before pref so this wouldn't be a problem. If quota is 40 and you have 50 legacies left before prefs, you've gotta release 10 of those legacies. Most chapters would have released them earlier anyway since it's not desireable to have a pledge class full of only legacies.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

No. If you have 30 legacies, and quota is 25, you must decide which 25 go on the first list. You don't just alphabetize those 30 and say sorry to Suzie Zimmerman.

She knows that, she was making a joke. Your first bid list is your first bid list and it doesn't REALLY matter if they are in alphabetical order, height order, or in order by how white their teeth are...so, the chapters that alphabetize only technically have their legacies on the *top* of their bid list if they happen to fall that way in the alphabet.

[AZ-AlphaXi]

yes and yes .. a chapter that's doing QAs won't be snap bidding as snap bids are only to get a chapter up to quota. But an ISP is not barred from receiving a snap bid from any chapter that's not at quota that wishes to extend a bid to her, even a chapter that had previously cut her or a chapter that she had previously dropped.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

I've also thought at times it would be a good idea to make a rule that a PNM can not join a chapter she ISP'ed for one year.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I've also thought at times it would be a good idea to make a rule that a PNM can not join a chapter she ISP'ed for one year.

I find that if you're ISPing a chapter and you don't get a bid from them during FR, you aren't going to get one from them during COR either. Maybe that's just an observation from the schools I have experience with.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I find that if you're ISPing a chapter and you don't get a bid from them during FR, you aren't going to get one from them during COR either. Maybe that's just an observation from the schools I have experience with.

True, but it doesn't stop a chapter from saying that. I'm suggesting a formal rule to keep the chapters in line, not the PNM's.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I've also thought at times it would be a good idea to make a rule that a PNM can not join a chapter she ISP'ed for one year.

If a chapter matches quota, but there's a no show or two at bid day/early on in the NM process, the chapter is going to look at their snap list first, which may very well contain someone who ISPed their chapter. That seems like an unneccessarily harsh penalty for both the PNM and chapter. It's a good idea to emphasize that hoping for a snap bid is a bad idea, but I don't think that not allowing PNMs to join a chapter that she ISPed if the opportunity presents itself is fair.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I've also thought at times it would be a good idea to make a rule that a PNM can not join a chapter she ISP'ed for one year.

shadokat's school actually did do this because so many women were suiciding and then getting COB bids afterwards.

This mainly happens with chapters that are not at total...but if that many chapters are having that issue that they can do this...you need to lower total.

[AZ-AlphaXi]

From the NPC Manual of Information:

4. If Preferential Bidding is used, women who indicate an Intentional
Single Preference and do not receive an invitation to membership are
eligible for Snap Bidding and Continuous Open Bidding, but are not
eligible for Quota Addition.
Resolved (1995), That a Potential New Member who withdraws from
the Fully Structured Recruitment process before the signing of her
membership acceptance shall be eligible for Snap Bidding and
Continuous Open Bidding.

[GreekGirley]

The crux of the matter is that PNMs are just not told how quota additions work and that doing an ISP will prevent them from being a quota addition...or even what "quota addition" means and how chapters get them. It is unfortunate and happens every year across the country with an average of about 50% getting what they want and the other 50% being left without a bid.

Bottom line is that if the girl would be THAT unhappy in her 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) choice, then those chapters at the bottom probably know it. I mean, if she feels strongly enough to not even list the group on her pref card?? Come on...you KNOW that chapter has a definite hold on that vibe and will place her way down on the list. Now, that doesn't mean that she won't still get them...but the odds are much more likely that she'll get her 1st choice.

So, what I"m saying is that Greek Life at the schools and the Gamma Chis need to do a better job of telling them WHY it is bad to ISP...not just "don't do it"...because we all know that this generation is one who needs reasons for what they do. They won't typically follow blindly with a recommendation from someone they've not even met until a week before rush starts.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by GreekGirley

Bottom line is that if the girl would be THAT unhappy in her 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) choice, then those chapters at the bottom probably know it. I mean, if she feels strongly enough to not even list the group on her pref card?? Come on...you KNOW that chapter has a definite hold on that vibe and will place her way down on the list. Now, that doesn't mean that she won't still get them...but the odds are much more likely that she'll get her 1st choice.

Just unbelieveable. I am sorry, but this is ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY FALSE!!

Please don't spread this kind of inaccurate information around & get any girl's hopes up.

[AZ-AlphaXi]

Originally Posted by thetalady

Just unbelieveable. I am sorry, but this is ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY FALSE!!

Please don't spread this kind of inaccurate information around & get any girl's hopes up.

Well said ... particularly if the chapter that is choice #2 doesn't usually make quota ..they will move all the way to the bottom of their bid lists and the PNM who hasn't matched to choice #1 will match to choice #2 when choice #1 reaches quota and PNM will never be in position to be QA to choice #1.

As was once said .. if you'd rather eat glass then take a bid from a chapter DO NOT list it on your preference card.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by GreekGirley

Bottom line is that if the girl would be THAT unhappy in her 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) choice, then those chapters at the bottom probably know it. I mean, if she feels strongly enough to not even list the group on her pref card?? Come on...you KNOW that chapter has a definite hold on that vibe and will place her way down on the list. Now, that doesn't mean that she won't still get them...but the odds are much more likely that she'll get her 1st choice.

Not necessarily. You're assuming that these women are going into their 2nd or 3rd choice chapters and acting like little brats rather than being mannerly and polite. It's possible for a PNM to be engaged in conversation with the person rushing her and the PNM still not want to be a member of that chapter. It's like the opposite of those strong-rushing chapters that make every PNM feel wanted, for lack of a better analogy.

[DubaiSis]

My understanding is QA's go to the lowest recruiting strength chapter. If you're talking 3 chapters that all make quota, the lowest recruiting strength chapter may not be apparent by those not in the know or sitting in the room with the computer and the lists.

In this scenario, this girl SHOULD go bidless, but unfair as it is, she would get a bid.