Hopeful 2011 SEC PNM from "The North" - Page 3

kaeb · #1 08-30-2010, 02:12 PM

Whoo NoVa! I'd personally never call myself a Southerner, I more identify with being "from the DC area" than being from Virginia.

I know of two girls from my school that went through recruitment at the *other* USC. One's a Phi Mu, one's a Kappa.

Best of luck!

also, I know some people who live further than three miles from GMU and do not live on campus. But I think most of my friends do live on campus.

SthrnZeta · #2 08-30-2010, 03:07 PM

I lived in GA and I was born in SC. I know "the south" and NoVa isn't it. Period. I have way too many friends who were born and raised in NoVa who have traveled to other parts of VA and have rightfully declared themselves not Southern. NoVa is an interesting gray area of VA and I, like the OP, always identified more with being from DC due to the close proximity. And I don't know anyone who would call DC southern. When I told people where I was from (and I think this is true for a lot of people from NoVa) I would say I was from the DC area unless I knew the person was familiar with that region.

In short, I'm sure we can all bring up points why NoVa is or is not southern. BUT, speaking from my experiences growing up there (8th grade through college) and having lived in SC prior to that, I would never have considered that area to part of the South. It had nothing to do with the presence of confederate flags on farms but I will say, once I moved to Prince William county, that felt like a whole new world and I have many friends from there who would agree.

DrPhil · #3 08-30-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

I know "the south" and NoVa isn't it. Period.

You know what you define as "the south." Period.

MysticCat · #4 08-30-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

I lived in GA and I was born in SC. I know "the south" and NoVa isn't it. Period.

NoVA is in Virginia and is south of the Mason-Dixon line; it is an area that is most definitely historically Southern in culture, many if not most of its current residents notwithstanding. It is Southern. Period.

See how we could have fun and go around like this all day long?

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In short, I'm sure we can all bring up points why NoVa is or is not southern. BUT, speaking from my experiences growing up there (8th grade through college) and having lived in SC prior to that, I would never have considered that area to part of the South.

This brings up notable point number one. You say you would never have considered it the South, and I would not argue with that. Who am I to argue with what you think?

But I do know people who have lived their entire lives there (or in Washington) who do consider it the South.

So, if we're going by geography, it's the South. But if we're going by a much harder-to-pin-down gauge of "Southerness," it's totally subjective, and is not so different at all from the folks from the deep South who have told me that North Carolina isn't really Southern.

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It had nothing to do with the presence of confederate flags on farms but I will say, once I moved to Prince William county, that felt like a whole new world and I have many friends from there who would agree.

And here's point number 2. Most every delineation of NoVA that I've heard includes Prince William County (and other counties further out from DC). Northern Virginia Magazine even seems to include it. (Hmmm, come to think of it, Southern Living magazine has always included Maryland.)

Maybe instead of discussing whether NoVA is really Southern, we should argue about what counties are and aren't really NoVA.

DrPhil · #5 08-30-2010, 03:39 PM

LOL. I guess it's all about what your southern criteria is:

Where did VA go?

Could it be?

(http://thesouthlandssteelmagnolia.com/)

Shellfish · #6 08-30-2010, 03:40 PM

And what about Hampton Roads--southern or not?

SthrnZeta · #7 08-30-2010, 03:53 PM

MysticCat, ever the diplomat brings it around full circle

And I'm not being sarcastic there, I mean that seriously.

Nice photo there DrPhil! I'm not alone in my beliefs!

DrPhil · #8 08-30-2010, 04:08 PM

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Nice photo there DrPhil! I'm not alone in my beliefs!

None of us are alone in our beliefs.

So, you believe that VA isn't the south?

SthrnZeta · #9 08-30-2010, 04:16 PM

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None of us are alone in our beliefs.

So, you believe that VA isn't the south?

Now you're making assumptions. I never said VA as a whole - just most of NoVa (I say most because PW county is part of NoVa but I and many others feel like NoVa ends at the FFX county line). I guess I should just cave and call it my opinion but whatever....

DrPhil · #10 08-30-2010, 04:25 PM

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Now you're making assumptions.

I asked a question. You said you liked the pic that I posted and that you aren't alone in your beliefs. The pic does not include VA as a southern state.

SthrnZeta · #11 08-30-2010, 04:37 PM

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I asked a question. You said you liked the pic that I posted and that you aren't alone in your beliefs. The pic does not include VA as a southern state.

"My beliefs" and me liking your picture do not mean the same thing, for the record.

agzg · #12 08-30-2010, 04:03 PM

In my opinion, Southern Illinois is "the South."

Of course, Illinois outside of Chicago is kindof like Santa Claus to me - you think it might exist, then you're not sure, then you're pretty sure it doesn't.

Drolefille · #13 08-30-2010, 04:32 PM

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In my opinion, Southern Illinois is "the South."

Of course, Illinois outside of Chicago is kindof like Santa Claus to me - you think it might exist, then you're not sure, then you're pretty sure it doesn't.

You Chicago people piss me off when you do that

Also Southern Illinois is not "anything South of I80" for the record.

agzg · #14 08-30-2010, 05:01 PM

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You Chicago people piss me off when you do that

Also Southern Illinois is not "anything South of I80" for the record.

"You Chicago people?"

SRSLY?

I object.

barbino · #15 08-30-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

In my opinion, Southern Illinois is "the South."

Of course, Illinois outside of Chicago is kindof like Santa Claus to me - you think it might exist, then you're not sure, then you're pretty sure it doesn't.

I had a pretty good laugh at this - and yes, I'm from Chicago. There are many areas of the country that border the South either geographically -- or culturally -- like parts of Missouri and Kentucky. Parts of the state may seem Northern, other parts might be much more Southern. The Mason-Dixon line becomes very arbitrary and people's personal interpretations are what matters.