Nebraskan city to hold immigration vote

[DaemonSeid]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_...a/10364664.stm



A city in the US state of Nebraska is to vote on whether to ban local businesses and landlords from hiring or renting to illegal immigrants.

The vote in Fremont is the result of a two-year fight by residents concerned by an influx of Hispanic workers.

It follows an immigration law passed recently in Arizona which critics have said could lead to racial profiling.

Other states and cities want similar laws, saying the federal government has failed to tackle the problem.

US President Barack Obama has made immigration reform a priority, but has warned the task is being made harder by the actions of Arizona, Fremont and others.

The residents of Fremont will vote on whether businesses should be banned from hiring illegal immigrants and landlords should be barred from renting them property.

The campaign for such a law began two years ago amid concerns that the Hispanic population in the 25,000-strong city had gone from 165 in the 1990s to an estimated 2,000 - drawn mainly to work at a nearby meat-packing plant.

A proposed law - similar to the one being put to the vote on Monday night - was narrowly defeated when put forward by a city council member in 2008.

[PiKA2001]

This is stupid, it's already illegal to HIRE someone who isn't legally able to work in the U.S.

[Animate]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

This is stupid, it's already illegal to HIRE someone who isn't legally able to work in the U.S.

Thats what I was thinking.

[Drolefille]

Yes but now the local cops can spend all their time dealing with it (and/or ignoring it, it'll pretty much be all or nothing).

Immigration reform, we need it. This, not so much with the helping.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by super.fly

What is immigration reform going to accomplish?

It depends what immigration reform you want to see. It's such a vague term when you think about it. I think the reform she is talking about is an amnesty bill, which would accomplish a lot in the sense that we would no longer have anyone here illegally.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by super.fly

What is immigration reform going to accomplish?

Anybody else get a MMITY vibe?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by super.fly

What is immigration reform going to accomplish?

Reforming immigration. That was a silly question.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It depends what immigration reform you want to see. It's such a vague term when you think about it. I think the reform she is talking about is an amnesty bill, which would accomplish a lot in the sense that we would no longer have anyone here illegally.

Oh geez, there you went taking it seriously. It does depend, and I'm not really sure what I want to see done but it's somewhere between "Annexing Mexico" and "Kick the brown people out." So you know, I've got a range.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Anybody else get a MMITY vibe?

My first thought. My second was why even bother participating in the discussion if that's all you bring.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by super.fly

It is a legit question. YOU said we NEED immigration reform. Explain why we need it.


If Obama grants the illegals amnesty what problems will that solve?

I didn't say I wanted amnesty.

We need immigration reform so people will stop whining about how illegal immigrants take all their jobs.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by super.fly

Are you really that naive?

If Obama grants the illegals amnesty, the new legals will continue to cause all the same problems. The new legals will continue to undercut wages and take the same exact jobs. At that point do you think out of work Americans will stop complaining?

If the illegals did not comply with the old laws, then what makes you think they will comply with new laws?


Are you an illegal?

Um the only reason they undercut wages IS because they are here illegally. If they were legal, then they would be able to claim the same labor laws as everybody else.

[PiKA2001]

I wonder if these people know about E-Verify?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I wonder if these people know about E-Verify?

Buggy system and people complain because people get 90 days to straighten things out if they're on their wrongly. Also I don't think it solves people using someone else's SSN?

Better than nothing though.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Buggy system and people complain because people get 90 days to straighten things out if they're on their wrongly. Also I don't think it solves people using someone else's SSN?

Better than nothing though.

It tracks it though. If it was mandatory nationwide we would be able to see that the same SSN is concurrently used in two or three different jobs in two or three different states.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It tracks it though. If it was mandatory nationwide we would be able to see that the same SSN is concurrently used in two or three different jobs in two or three different states.

I think it's hard to make it mandatory yet, i don't know about the legal issues involved but i think it has like a .5% error rate and out of 330 million SSNs that's a lot.

I also don't know how illegal SSNs work, whether it's usually a stolen ID, a sold one, if it's duplicated across the country or they're careful not to 'resell' so to speak. Then at some point you'd have to cross the system with all the states to track disability, TANF, Medicaid, etc. And besides the logistical issues of every state running their own system, you start getting the Big Brother people really freaked out.

It's something to work on, obviously.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think it's hard to make it mandatory yet, i don't know about the legal issues involved but i think it has like a .5% error rate and out of 330 million SSNs that's a lot.

I also don't know how illegal SSNs work, whether it's usually a stolen ID, a sold one, if it's duplicated across the country or they're careful not to 'resell' so to speak. Then at some point you'd have to cross the system with all the states to track disability, TANF, Medicaid, etc. And besides the logistical issues of every state running their own system, you start getting the Big Brother people really freaked out.

It's something to work on, obviously.

It's run by DHS so every employer in the country would be going through them. Fraud is an issue but could be stopped by using biometrics, but then you'd have people really freaking out

[PiKA2001]

No, there would have been a racial slur or two in his post if it was MM