Sex and the City 2

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Munchkin03 rocks. I agree 100%.

Hey...wasn't that artist guy Russian and not French? I could be wrong but, I am 100% with you on the fact that I wasn't feeling him as much, either.

I have to say that I loved Aidan. It is true, though, that he wasn't for Carrie. Their worlds collided and they were not a good fit. I'm waiting to see a movie where "Big" cheats on Carrie because "what goes around, comes around" and "karma is a bitch" because "once a cheater, always a cheater" in the minds of many people. You expect me to believe "Big" cheated on his beautiful, educated and successful twenty-something wife to be with a woman in her 40's who (while still beautiful) doesn't have two dimes to rub together? It isn't the age thing but, men that look like that, have that kind of money and so much appeal don't realistically date women THEIR OWN AGE. I'm sorry-I disagree (for the most part).

I'm waiting for "Big" to cheat on Carrie with some twenty-something NYC model who is able to have little baby Bigs running around their tiny apartment as he busts his ass on Wall Street.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by als463

Hey...wasn't that artist guy Russian and not French? I could be wrong but, I am 100% with you on the fact that I wasn't feeling him as much, either.

LOL. I had originally put Russian and called myself correcting myself. He was Russian in Paris. Thanks. I now remember that Carrie wanted her body massager (or body waxer) to teach her some Russian words.

Originally Posted by als463

I have to say that I loved Aidan. It is true, though, that he wasn't for Carrie. Their worlds collided and they were not a good fit. I'm waiting to see a movie where "Big" cheats on Carrie because "what goes around, comes around" and "karma is a bitch" because "once a cheater, always a cheater" in the minds of many people. You expect me to believe "Big" cheated on his beautiful, educated and successful twenty-something wife to be with a woman in her 40's who (while still beautiful) doesn't have two dimes to rub together? It isn't the age thing but, men that look like that, have that kind of money and so much appeal don't realistically date women THEIR OWN AGE. I'm sorry-I disagree (for the most part).

I'm waiting for "Big" to cheat on Carrie with some twenty-something NYC model who is able to have little baby Bigs running around their tiny apartment as he busts his ass on Wall Street.

Big has done enough dirt.

[Munchkin03]

Alexsandr Petrovsky! I still can't believe she went to Paris with dude...he was even more disengaged than Big. I was not surprised at all that he left her to fend for herself in Paris; didn't his ex-wife say the same thing?

I didn't like Jack Berger. Two writers in a relationship is two many. Funny that a writer left a break-up Post-it!

I love that Charlotte is happy with Harry and the girls. She saw past the fact that he wasn't "traditionally" attractive, and followed her heart--and converted! (That's especially on my mind these days.)

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Alexsandr Petrovsky! I still can't believe she went to Paris with dude...he was even more disengaged than Big. I was not surprised at all that he left her to fend for herself in Paris; didn't his ex-wife say the same thing?

I just can't believe she went to Paris. She was really dumb.

The episode that pissed me off the most was when she stiffed her fans at the coffee shop to attend his gallery opening. He left her and she "found herself" by finding her "Carrie" necklace.

I love how Big had come to Paris (to look for her, right?) and found her with perfect timing.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I didn't like Jack Berger. Two writers in a relationship is two many. Funny that a writer left a break-up Post-it!

I never saw what Berger had to offer. He couldn't handle her success or anything else. LOL @ the Post-it. I was floored when that happens but it makes so much sense.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I love that Charlotte is happy with Harry and the girls. She saw past the fact that he wasn't "traditionally" attractive, and followed her heart--and converted! (That's especially on my mind these days.)

Harry is very cute to me. I could do without the body hair and want him to do some toning exercises---but, his face and personality are adorable.

I think Charlotte went about Judaism the wrong way (what she did isn't rare because it happens a lot, I just don't agree with it). I never believed in conversion when it is based on a love interest. I believe that people should be equally yolked and that sets the context for who they date. For me, faith is about faith and not about a man. I believe in following the faith and finding the man. There are plenty of men in every religion/faith. I don't believe in following the man and finding the faith.

[Little32]

To jump back in:

First, in comparison to what Big put her through, Aidan was child's play. I have been watching season four over the last couple of days, and I read Aidan's behavior as more of him trying to do something that he wasn't wired to do--forgive this woman for breaking his heart so that he could be with her--than him deliberately trying to punish or hurt Carrie. I think that as a character he is genuinely a nice guy who deeply loved a woman but could not accept that those things that he loved about her were the very things that meant that she was not going to fit into some traditional, rigid notion of what love looks like.

But you all are right, Big was what she wanted. He gave her the drama that she craved. So it does make sense that he would be the one that she was drawn to. However, given the way that their relationship has played out--in the series and the movies (which was plausible up until this movie)--I still can't say that it was necessarily a good thing.

/sidebar: Actually, as frequently as I have watched the series, I am much less forgiving of the characters. Samantha is the only one who really holds up as sane, after a lot of scrutiny. Charlotte next. Miranda and Carrie are completely nuts. sidebar/

Ultimately, I think that if she and Aidan had stayed together, Carrie would have been better for it. Yes, she is a city girl at heart who craves drama, but I think that Aidan mellowed her--and she needed mellowing (because did I mention she is nuts). Sometime what a person needs is not someone like who she is (or who she think that wants), but someone who is different from her and complements her.

Next post: the movie.

[Little32]

The movie started out with conflicts that would have been interesting for the SATC characters, had the movie actually followed through on exploring them.

Miranda: the whole figuring out how to pursue her career differently in a way that was both more satisfying and more conducive to the kind of family life that she wanted to have.

Charlotte: has the family that she always wanted, but now is feeling like she can not deal with it.

Samantha: What are the lengths that she will go through to try to stay young; is there a tipping point.

Carrie: trying to figure out how it will be "Just Us Two" for the next 35 years. What will that look like and will it be satisfying.

All of these conflicts were introduced in the first 30 minutes, and they made sense for where these characters are in their lives. But instead of dealing with them, the women ran to the other side of the world. How unsatisfying. In Abu Dhabi, the only story line that was really picked up was Carrie's conflict and that was done so in an unsatisfactory way. Then they turn around and wrap it up in a neat little bow at the end, as though they did anything at all with these issues.

The women did look haggard, and I couldn't figure out why. There are ways, technical ways, to fix those flaws (to soften and stuff) but for some reason they weren't. I didn't get it.

[Shellfish]

What I'm curious about is the wedding early in the movie--I haven't even seen it yet but I already know so much about it. How do they explain those two ever getting together? It's so unlikely to anyone who watched the TV series. (I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but then again, the whole movie's been way spoilered all over the place.)

[33girl]

SJP crackhead mom??? Please give me the name of this gem so I can vote for it on Pick A Flick Friday. (Oh my Lord. I just admitted I know what Pick A Flick Friday is. Time for me to pick up my "spinster" t-shirt, y'all.)

I thought there was an episode where Stanny & Anthony hooked up but I could be wrong. I didn't watch but an episode or two until it was on TBS (I don't have HBO), and then only in the spirit of "I have to see it because everyone else has."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

SJP crackhead mom??? Please give me the name of this gem so I can vote for it on Pick A Flick Friday. (Oh my Lord. I just admitted I know what Pick A Flick Friday is. Time for me to pick up my "spinster" t-shirt, y'all.)

"In the Best Interest of the Children" (1992)

Sorry, she was a mother struggling with manic depression and 5 kids in the foster care system. She wasn't cracked out. I hope that doesn't ruin your excitement.

It's a TV movie that used to aire on Lifetime. Great movie.

Originally Posted by 33girl

I thought there was an episode where Stanny & Anthony hooked up but I could be wrong. I didn't watch but an episode or two until it was on TBS (I don't have HBO), and then only in the spirit of "I have to see it because everyone else has."

There was an episode where Carrie and Charlotte try to hook Stanford and Anthony on a date. Anthony is a complete asshole to him. Then Stanford starts dating a dancer and Anthony does everything he can to be an asshole about everything. They eventually become friends. It's so funny that Anthony, as a wedding planner, lets Stanford take over the wedding plans in SATC2. Mario Cantone rocks by the way.

[qbt1990]

Originally Posted by Little32

The women did look haggard, and I couldn't figure out why. There are ways, technical ways, to fix those flaws (to soften and stuff) but for some reason they weren't. I didn't get it.

THANK YOU! I thought for SURE they would be airbrushed or something... they looked pretty rough. It makes me sad they're getting older!

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

There was an episode where Carrie and Charlotte try to hook Stanford and Anthony on a date. Anthony is a complete asshole to him. Then Stanford starts dating a dancer and Anthony does everything he can to be an asshole about everything. They eventually become friends. It's so funny that Anthony, as a wedding planner, lets Stanford take over the wedding plans in SATC2. Mario Cantone rocks by the way.

Mario Cantone lives in the neighborhood where I work, so I see him from time to time.

Didn't Stanny and Anthony make out on New Year's in the first movie?

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I think Charlotte went about Judaism the wrong way (what she did isn't rare because it happens a lot, I just don't agree with it). I never believed in conversion when it is based on a love interest. I believe that people should be equally yoked and that sets the context for who they date. For me, faith is about faith and not about a man. I believe in following the faith and finding the man. There are plenty of men in every religion/faith. I don't believe in following the man and finding the faith.

Rabbis don't believe in conversion just to marry, either; but some realize that if the non-Jewish person doesn't convert or is denied the opportunity to do so, then the chance that they'll raise their children as Jewish really declines. In the case of Charlotte, she did it JUST for Harry, which backfired when she yelled about "giving up Christ for [him]!" If she had done it sincerely for herself as well as for the relationship, that would never have happened.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Mario Cantone lives in the neighborhood where I work, so I see him from time to time.

Didn't Stanny and Anthony make out on New Year's in the first movie?

Tell him I said wassup.

I never understood what "make out" means. There was no one else around so they shared a quick and reluctant New Year's kiss at midnight.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Rabbis don't believe in conversion just to marry, either; but some realize that if the non-Jewish person doesn't convert or is denied the opportunity to do so, then the chance that they'll raise their children as Jewish really declines. In the case of Charlotte, she did it JUST for Harry, which backfired when she yelled about "giving up Christ for [him]!" If she had done it sincerely for herself as well as for the relationship, that would never have happened.

This is why she had to stalk the Rabbi at his house (Harry told her that the Rabbi was giving her a hard time like they do to all converts).

Harry left her after she announced that she switched religions for him. They reunited at the event that Charlotte attended with hopes of finding him. The women scoffed at how there were no single Jewish men--they were all bald. She was hoping her bald Jewish man would be who these women were talking about. Awwww.

[DrPhil]

BTW, one of the Anthony's-an-asshole episodes aired last night. It was the episode when Stanford was dating the dancer and ran into Anthony and Charlotte at lunch. Stanford announced that they were going to the prom and that he had never been to a prom before. Anthony said "because you're gay." Anthony announces that Stanford's boyfriend used to be an exotic dancer or something and gives Charlotte the advertisement. She shows the rest of the group and Stanford finds out. He goes to the prom with Carrie instead and his boyfriend shows up at the prom and wins him back.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This is why she had to stalk the Rabbi at his house (Harry told her that the Rabbi was giving her a hard time like they do to all converts).

Harry left her after she announced that she switched religions for him. They reunited at the event that Charlotte attended with hopes of finding him. The women scoffed at how there were no single Jewish men--they were all bald. She was hoping her bald Jewish man would be who these women were talking about. Awwww.

Yep, they'll turn you away three times.

[Shellfish]

I don't watch SaTC reruns on TBS often, but I still keep an eye out for "Hop, Skip, and a Week," the episode with the Jewish singles party. That scene gets me every time. It also contains the Absolut Hunk subplot, but on the other hand, there's some Carrie-Berger stuff that features SJP's weirdly mannered acting around male characters.