Obama heckled by GOP during speech: 'You lie!'

[FreshmenDAD]

I don't agree with the heckling either but would like to make two important points:
1) This is not the first time this occurred. If everyone will recall back when Bush 2 was President the Dems booed him during his State of The Union speech when he said Social Security would go bankrupt if it was not fixed. A few commentators mentioned it was unprecedented but framed it in such a way that made it seem as if Bush was so far off base the Dems were justified in their disrespect.
2) I find it interesting that just before the Congressmen called the President a liar that the President called those who vocally disagree with a portion of his plan liars. He also said that the plan will not cover illegal aliens. This is not true and the Pres knows it so we are criticizing the Congressmen for telling the truth and defending the President for lying.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by sqid smoks crak

Good point. A few weeks ago in an interview with Micheal Smerconish at the White House Obama admited that illegals would get basic coverage.


http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08...rue-says-oba/2

http://www.racewire.org/archives/200...dispellin.html

Well, if a person comes into an ER bleeding to death, you can't simply let them die.

You may be confusing getting basic care vs getting comprehensive coverage.

You may want to see the case of the woman who died in King's Hospital last year as a reason why regardless of your status, it is inhumane to let someone who seeks immediate treatment be turned away.

While unfortunately each and every illegal cannot be identified, if someone needs immeidate help you can't turn away.

Perhaps this issue here (and I am sure somoene can claify) is defining just exactly what 'basic insurance coverage' implies and what it covers.


So uhhhh.....if you see somebody getting hit by a car, are you going to ask if they are here in the US illegally before you call 911?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by sqid smoks crak

That is easy to say since you don't pay for it.



I am not confusing anything. Basic coverage for 30 million illegals isn't cheap. Then add the comprehensive coverage for all the legals that are too lazy to work.






I don't care. The woman let herself down and her family let her down. If you want to be a humanitarian then why don't you pay for her?



I will be glad to call 911 but I won't spend one dime of my money to save them and I would not expect a hopsital to spend one dime either. When the ambulance picks them up they can take them right to the border. Their own county should pay for the medical care.


The problem with you and Obama is you love spending other people's money.

max..I dont have time to entertain you today.

Thank you for your words of non wisdom.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I dont have time to entertain you today.

This is generally how I feel about most of these conversations. At the same time, I am dismayed that folks can't seem to communicate because they are so interested in talking past each other and being right. If folks invested half the energy into finding viable solutions that they invest in partisan grandstanding, we would have solutions to this and other problems already.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Little32

This is generally how I feel about most of these conversations. At the same time, I am dismayed that folks can't seem to communicate because they are so interested in talking past each other and being right. If folks invested half the energy into finding viable solutions that they invest in partisan grandstanding, we would have solutions to this and other problems already.

Yes, and that works on both sides. That's why I'm a bit dismayed at the "take it or leave it" message that the President seems to be communicating lately. Both sides are making concessions...Obama doesn't need to borrow the "you're with us or against us" rhetoric from the Bush presidency.

[DaemonSeid]

Are you sure you aren't my sister...she just said that very thing not but an hr ago....HA!!!

funny part is...she is your soror.

[UGAalum94]

In fairness to the heckler, I think some of the numbers cited to get to the really big number of uninsured include illegal immigrants. If you check out some of the right-y blogs, I think you can find links that reflect some really recent subtractions to remove illegal immigrants from the pool of people being discussed.

How to handle this part of the health care equation is a pretty contentious area. There's always the tension being doing what appears to be the right thing vs any kind of sustainability. Free world class health care regardless of citizenship is likely to be a pretty big draw. What seriously ill person wouldn't come here for care?

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Free world class health care regardless of citizenship is likely to be a pretty big draw. What seriously ill person wouldn't come here for care?

If other publicly paid for health care systems are any evidence of the sort of care...probably none.

I guess if the Democrats want to push this better, they should tell the Republicans that the health care will be so terribly bad that immigrants won't want to come here. It might work. Especially since it will be true.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

If other publicly paid for health care systems are any evidence of the sort of care...probably none.

I guess if the Democrats want to push this better, they should tell the Republicans that the health care will be so terribly bad that immigrants won't want to come here. It might work. Especially since it will be true.

Yeah, but I imagine any negative effects in the quality of care are going to be gradual. I don't expect to go third world in one generation, no matter how bad health care reform turns out.

Crap, that's something new to worry about.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Yeah, but I imagine any negative effects in the quality of care are going to be gradual. I don't expect to go third world in one generation, no matter how bad health care reform turns out.

Crap, that's something new to worry about.

The quality of the doctors, medicine, etc probably will not go down any time soon.

But the accessibility to that quality, will.

[dreamseeker]

if we can laugh at how bush mispronounced words, then yes, we can talk about him looking good.

[srmom]

The inherent desire of those in power is to constantly reproduce the conditions that keep them in power and mirror back to them their notions of their own status and power,

Bingo! We have a winner!

You know that scene in Blazing Saddles where Governor Le Petomane says to his cabinet: Holy underware! Sheriff murdered! Innocent women and children blown to bits! We've got to protect our phony baloney jobs, gentlemen. We must do something about this, immediately, immediately, immediately!

This is what our government is all about - keeping their phoney baloney jobs.

And this is what this (latest) political dust up is about:

Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!

I didn't get a 'harrumph' out of that guy!

Give the governor a 'harrumph!'

Harrumph!

Governor: You watch your ass.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by srmom

This is what our government is all about - keeping their phoney baloney jobs.

See, I don't know if the jobs are phoney baloney. Maybe they are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. Maybe it is our perception of their obligations that remains skewed. You know, because most of us believe that a democarcy should serve all of the people. And, of course, McKittrick was talking about systems of power outside of governmental bodies as well.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by srmom

Governor: You watch your ass.

The Governor of SC was watching someone else's @ss, that's why he is in trouble now. **end of slight hijack**