Private Pool Bans Minority Campers

[DrPhil]

33girl, your correction is extremely appropriate, thank you.

I agree with your second paragraph, too. The spin by the AP fits the tone of many of the articles and people's reactions to them. We know the things that get a rise and an emotional response from many people in America, among them are: race, racism allegations, and exaggerations/inaccurate statements of the facts.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The opposite is called racism by some social scientists but most distinguish that it is individual level racism, which has minimal social significance because it cannot be aggregated if the "racist(s)" is of the minority in power. Racism and hate crimes targeting whites occur in limited contexts and are extremely rare because, as you implied, whites are the majority in power and in population size. Moreover, racism is more covert than overt and Blacks would have a difficult time finding contexts in which they could covertly (as well as overtly) victimize whites.

More importantly, I was wondering what chip Kevlar was trying to shoulder. This thread is about alleged discrimination and possibly racism. What's the point of bringing another incident into the mix? Just to prove a point?

Are Anglo-Americans really the "Majority in power" though? I thought that they were either already considered a minority b/c the huge influx in minority populations by now?

[33girl]

I think that whole "whites will be a minority" thing only counts if you make 2 groups, White and Not White.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

Are Anglo-Americans really the "Majority in power" though?

Yes.

Originally Posted by texas*princess

I thought that they were either already considered a minority b/c the huge influx in minority populations by now?

Whites are over 70% of the total population. That inludes whites of various ethnicites (e.g. white Hispanic/Latina) and combinations with other races. This makes whites the majority in population size.

Being the majority in power is part of, but not contingent upon, being the majority in population size (think South African Apartheid). However, whites are also the majority in power as social, political, and economic institutions in America are dominated by whites.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that whole "whites will be a minority" thing only counts if you make 2 groups, White and Not White.

Maybe. But even comparing a white group of about 220 million to a nonwhite group of, let's say, 100 million still makes whites the majority. Maybe the higher fertility rates of some of the nonwhite groups would be able to bridge that gap (sarcasm).

I say it doesn't count unless people pretend that their definitions of "whiteness" have suddenly changed and that Hispanic/Latina suddenly does not include whites, as well as Blacks (such as Cuba).

[FSUZeta]

well, it broke my heart when a tv reporter interviewed one precious little boy who started crying(so did i) when he told what he had heard.

[Kevin]

I think the media's coverage of this is probably going to do more psychological harm to these kids than the private club's manager ever could.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I think the media's coverage of this is probably going to do more psychological harm to these kids than the private club's manager ever could.

How so?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

How so?

I say it's because of the overwhelming emotion that anything race related receives in this country. Those kids are being interviewed by a ton of reputable and nonreputable news sources. Some of them have their faces all over the place, including those who were crying. They are going to receive different types of responses from people.

Some of those kids may remember the incident but I wager that they don't know much about this story or anything beyond the fact that they didn't get to swim that day. They may believe whatever angry adults tell them about the incident and its consequences (i.e. them being denied membership when they were never seeking membership). And, as with most kids who are around adults, they can sense the emotions that they are expected to feel and express as Blacks and Hispanics who were allegedly discriminated against by whites. This type of thing can sometimes become an "I'm angry...don't know why...but I am...because I'm supposed to be" situation.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I say it's because of the overwhelming emotion that anything race related receives in this country. Those kids are being interviewed by a ton of reputable and nonreputable news sources. Some of them have their faces all over the place, including those who were crying. They are going to receive different types of responses from people.

Some of those kids may remember the incident but I wager that they don't know much about this story or anything beyond the fact that they didn't get to swim that day. They may believe whatever angry adults tell them about the incident and its consequences (i.e. them being denied membership when they were never seeking membership). And, as with most kids who are around adults, they can sense the emotions that they are expected to feel and express as Blacks and Hispanics who were allegedly discriminated against by whites. This type of thing can sometimes become an "I'm angry...don't know why...but I am...because I'm supposed to be" situation.

I already figured that as much, however I am waiting to see what KEVIN'S response is.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I already figured that as much, however I am waiting to see what KEVIN'S response is.

Well, dredlock rasta, you should PM KEVIN if you're going to respond like that to anyone other than KEVIN. Nothing is stopping KEVIN from still responding.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well, dredlock rasta, you should PM KEVIN if you're going to respond like that to anyone other than KEVIN. Nothing is stopping KEVIN from still responding.

it's a free board I can do whatever I want.

Dont get pissy cuz you didn't like my response, precious.

You are cute when you are angry, you love me.

Moody self.

[Kevin]

KEVIN does not have much to add to what DrPhil said.

/bobdole

Additionally though, I wonder what the value is for the media, parents, etc. to put these kids through the trauma of even thinking they may have been racially discriminated against (when that may not even be the case). Kids need to be able to just be kids and if they can be sheltered from something like racism for just awhile longer, that might contribute to a happier childhood. Kind of like believing in Santa Clause.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

KEVIN does not have much to add to what DrPhil said.

/bobdole

Additionally though, I wonder what the value is for the media, parents, etc. to put these kids through the trauma of even thinking they may have been racially discriminated against (when that may not even be the case). Kids need to be able to just be kids and if they can be sheltered from something like racism for just awhile longer, that might contribute to a happier childhood. Kind of like believing in Santa Clause.

I can see that.

In general, minorities sometimes feel that people have to learn sooner rather than later. There isn't but so much sheltering from these types of things.

These kids may have already experienced some things. My first experience with racism was by the time I was in the 1st or 2nd grade.

[Kevin]

Right on, be that as it may, if they still believe in Santa Clause, why spoil it? Y'know?