Miss California USA posed topless

[Munchkin03]

If this is all there is, I don't see the uproar. Vanessa Williams's pictures were far, far more scandalous.

Plenty of people are against gay marriage, but don't consider themselves "conservative" or "traditional." I'm not sure how hypocritical that is, but I think a lot of people on the left equate being against gay marriage with being generally conservative--even personally conservative, when that's not the case.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

She could of easily of said something about state's rights, and the beauty of diversity within the country... she started with that by talking about choice, but went into personal opinion, which was unnecessary in regards to whether she supports it. However, she chose to bring in her opinion and her christianity onto national television in a competition where she would represent America. She has a right to her opinion, and though I do not support her view, I do not think a view like that would be unrepresentative of America. However, the mention of christian values to the public eye puts her publicly against christian standards, and thus rises the disappointment of the photos at hand. She did not deserve the bashing of Perez Hilton, but she does deserve the disappointment from the revealing photos.

[Kevin]

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[DrPhil]

begin too damn long post/

LOL...I've decided that this really isn't about the pageant or these specific young ladies. This has become something greater. People have used this to reinforce liberal vs. conservative (those categories and "battles" annoy me, but okay) values.

Yes, he was asking her personal opinion but on a very specific application--not a general one. This young lady said "everyone has a right to choose" which as someone already noted, isn't true based on the legality of it all. But if she had stayed on this route, she could've perhaps said that people SHOULD have the right to choose and that states have the right to weight the pros and cons ON THEIR OWN and follow Iowa's lead, if need be. Or express that she thinks states SHOULDN'T but do so without being personal. Then we wouldn't know or care what she personally thinks about gays and/or gay marriage.

This isn't about political correctness, absent freedom of speech, or denying Christianity (which, as a Christian, I find to be the dumbest platform for Christians to jump on--conservative or not). It is about being smart enough (despite nervousness) to know what you are being asked and think about the context. That applies to pageants where they are trained to do so, and for nonpageants where adults learn how to discuss topics with others.

If you stick your foot in your mouth, just acknowledge that you did that. Don't make yourself into a martyr and pretend you did it on purpose. I also don't think people should be trying to ruin this young lady for incorrectly answering the question with her opinion. Afterall, incorrectly answering the question was her only gaffe. What she actually thinks about gay marriage is of no concern, unless she were to turn her opinions into discriminatory actions.

/end too damn long post

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by Kevin

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lol @ Kevin's artwork! I wonder how long it took to do that.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

lol @ Kevin's artwork! I wonder how long it took to do that.

I cut/pasted it.

I don't have a single iota of artistic talent.

-- nonetheless, it belongs here.

[agzg]

Oh goody - another "you don't understand" "ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION" thread.

[texas*princess]

lolz - Miss California (for now) offered $1 Million for adult entertainment film

[scbelle]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

lolz - Miss California (for now) offered $1 Million for adult entertainment film

lolz-- what is it with Vivid offering $1 Million to women during their 15 minutes of fame? First the Octomom, now Prejean... I don't recall them doing that before (not that I paid attention), but it's starting to get a very Larry Flynt-ish feeling to it.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by scbelle

lolz-- what is it with Vivid offering $1 Million to women during their 15 minutes of fame? First the Octomom, now Prejean... I don't recall them doing that before (not that I paid attention), but it's starting to get a very Larry Flynt-ish feeling to it.

maybe they're just doing it to see if they'll take it. Plus it lets them ride the coattails momentarily? hehehe who knows!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

No, my question hasn't been answered. You and OTW are just typing absolute nonsense. She was asked for her opinion plain and simple. There is no LAW saying that same-sex marriage should be legalized in the remaining states. And if someone asks you what you THINK about a matter, they are asking for your OPINION.

She was asked her opinion on whether other states should follow Vermont's (and Iowa's, Massachusetts' and New Hamphire's (?)) lead by legalizing gay marriage. It is quite possible to answer that question without ever stating one's personal opinion on gay marriage, and that is the distinction others are properly making and you are missing. For example:

Well, Perez, I think that the genius of our federal system is that it allows each state to make up its own mind about these things. As Justice Brandeis said, there must be power in the states to remould, through experimentation, our institutions to meet changing social needs, and that one of the "happy incidents" of our federal system that a single state may, if its citizens so choose, serve as a laboratory and try new things without risk to the rest of the country. So I trust the citizens of each state to decide for themselves what course to follow, and I trust that the decisions already made in Vermont and elsewhere -- and the experiences that result from those decisions -- can assist the remaining states in deciding for themselves.

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This is so a portrait of me reading this thread!

Brilliant!!

[dekeguy]

Does anybody really give a rat's rump about all of this?

[SydneyK]

Trump says she can keep the crown: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_miss_california

All the related drama can go away now.

[texas*princess]

I think that's really disappointing. Not because of the comments or even the topless photos, but there were many other breaches of contract (like she wasn't even showing up for her Miss Cali appearances) and he basically just said that was OK even after she clearly wasn't fulfilling her "duties"

[jitterbug13]

I'm not shocked he kept her because he kept the Miss USA who was doing drugs. But I agree with t*p that there were so many breaches of contract (going on anit-gay marriage events representing herself as Miss California USA, lying about the pictures, etc) that the Miss California USA organization should have took the title away without the Donald getting involved.

I feel sorry for Miss USA (North Carolina).