Phi Kappa Psi at U of Virginia Voluntarily Suspends Activities

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Hoax? That's a loaded word. I haven't seen any evidence of a hoax, at least on RS's part. Fiasco, yes, but not hoax.

If this would have been a story about rape at RISD or Evergreen State College, the writer would have been sent back to double, triple and quadruple check, interview every student and faculty member on campus, and even if it would have been found to be true, the piece never would have seen the light of day. A very moneyed fraternity at a very moneyed school, however, is already considered guilty of every crime possible by RS just because they exist.

As for the writer, she either didn't have enough self respect or respect for her employer to research this story properly, or DID research it (i.e. finding out there was no one with that name in the fraternity) and knew she could make her bones on it and didn't care who was destroyed in the process.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Perhaps one day you'll let us know why you seem to have as much of an axe to grind on this issue as those you constantly accuse of manufacturing a rape crisis.

The rape crisis is completely manufactured. Those who are guilty of doing so don't want to empower women, they want to put them into an eternal victim state so they can be more easily indoctrinated.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The rape crisis is completely manufactured. Those who are guilty of doing so don't want to empower women, they want to put them into an eternal victim state so they can be more easily indoctrinated.

This.

Rape is a heinous crime that has existed for all of human history, and thank goodness for feminism, because things used to be horrific for rape victims. We've come a long way since then. But the extremists who have hijacked feminism won't, can't acknowledge that, or acknowledge that there are unintended negative consequences that come along with freedom and empowerment. Hence the manufactured crisis. One only need look at their new preferred "solution" to see the factual logic that proves it is manufactured.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by honorgal

It has nothing to do with a reporter's homework or understanding the basics. The part that is self-evident is the extremely strict privacy laws that protect this particular subject matter (college sexual assault allegations) from being routinely fact-checked by journalists seeking the truth.

But nothing prevents a journalist from reporting this effect of privacy laws rather than leaving readers to assume that silence on the part of a university = confirmation. Good journalism would include in a story that privacy laws prevent a college from confirming or commenting on any allegations so that a reader would know how to put things in context and perspective.

Wanting the facts reported instead of agenda-driven journalism is axe-grinding?

No. But to me at least, your posts have a tendency to come across as equally agenda-driven. My apologies if I'm reading in more than is there, but that is the vibe I have gotten—partially, perhaps, because your posts (at least those I can recall) have been almost exclusively on this topic.

[AnchorAlum]

Originally Posted by honorgal

This.

Rape is a heinous crime that has existed for all of human history, and thank goodness for feminism, because things used to be horrific for rape victims. We've come a long way since then. But the extremists who have hijacked feminism won't, can't acknowledge that, or acknowledge that there are unintended negative consequences that come along with freedom and empowerment. Hence the manufactured crisis. One only need look at their new preferred "solution" to see the factual logic that proves it is manufactured.

Completely agree. And thank you for posting this.

[Nanners52674]

I feel like everyone is forgetting this one true/factual part of the RS article

The University of Virginia is one of the 86 schools now under federal investigation, but it has more reason to worry than most of its peers. Because, unlike most schools under scrutiny, where complaints are at issue, UVA is one of only 12 schools under a sweeping investigation known as "compliance review": a proactive probe launched by the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights itself, triggered by concerns about deep-rooted issues. "They are targeted efforts to go after very serious concerns," says Office of Civil Rights assistant secretary Catherine Lhamon. "We don't open compliance reviews unless we have something that we think merits it."



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Yes the article is a hoax but that aside, there is still a problem with sexual assault at UVA. It's frustrating that because of all the fabrication the true facts in the article are forgotten.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

I feel like everyone is forgetting this one true/factual part of the RS article


The University of Virginia is one of the 86 schools now under federal investigation, but it has more reason to worry than most of its peers. Because, unlike most schools under scrutiny, where complaints are at issue, UVA is one of only 12 schools under a sweeping investigation known as "compliance review": a proactive probe launched by the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights itself, triggered by concerns about deep-rooted issues. "They are targeted efforts to go after very serious concerns," says Office of Civil Rights assistant secretary Catherine Lhamon. "We don't open compliance reviews unless we have something that we think merits it."



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/...#ixzz3Wff4OgoS
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

Yes the article is a hoax but that aside, there is still a problem with sexual assault at UVA. It's frustrating that because of all the fabrication the true facts in the article are forgotten.

And so UVA is guilty? Of deep rooted issues? Has OCR finished their compliance review, and if so, what were the findings?

IF you are still taking anything from Eardly's RS article as "true facts", including quotes attributed to anyone, I suggest you read the Columbia Journalism Review report. Check the footnotes. I think specifically #4.

[honorgal]

Further info on the OCR compliance review...this UVA rape advocacy website claims that it was triggered by a lawsuit filed by a student who disputed the outcome of her SMB hearing because it found the student she accused "not guilty". This case was in the news a few times, there was a UVA forensic nurse whom the student accused of mishandling her evidence.

https://uvasexualassaultcoalition.wo...liance-review/

Anyways, in case anyone is interested, the lawsuit was dismissed last month.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/0...t-survivor.htm

[1964Alum]

Honorgal, What I DO take as "real facts" are what I have heard from friends who are mothers/grandmothers of UVA students. They were not making up what they told me. Nor was the concern they expressed for their beloved young women studying at UVA an overreaction or made up. These are very sophisticated women with experience with many different cultures of the world and are not easily intimidated or made fearful. And all this well BEFORE the Rolling Stones article.

The problem there is very real and has indeed been swept under the carpet for many, many years.

Are you saying that what I have heard directly from friends whose judgement I respect is a bunch of noise not related to the reality there?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by 1964Alum

Honorgal, What I DO take as "real facts" are what I have heard from friends who are mothers/grandmothers of UVA students. They were not making up what they told me. Nor was the concern they expressed for their beloved young women studying at UVA an overreaction or made up. These are very sophisticated women with experience with many different cultures of the world and are not easily intimidated or made fearful. And all this well BEFORE the Rolling Stones article.

The problem there is very real and has indeed been swept under the carpet for many, many years.

Are you saying that what I have heard directly from friends whose judgement I respect is a bunch of noise not related to the reality there?

I don't know if it's related to reality and neither do you. Let's deal in facts. Not feelings. Or second hand anecdotes. What are the supporting facts for your contention that "the problem there is very real and has been swept under the carpet for many, many years". Are you claiming this problem is unique to UVA culture?

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Further info on the OCR compliance review...this UVA rape advocacy website claims that it was triggered by a lawsuit filed by a student who disputed the outcome of her SMB hearing because it found the student she accused "not guilty". This case was in the news a few times, there was a UVA forensic nurse whom the student accused of mishandling her evidence.

https://uvasexualassaultcoalition.wo...liance-review/

Anyways, in case anyone is interested, the lawsuit was dismissed last month.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/0...t-survivor.htm

Originally Posted by honorgal

I don't know if it's related to reality and neither do you. Let's deal in facts. Not feelings. Or second hand anecdotes. What are the supporting facts for your contention that "the problem there is very real and has been swept under the carpet for many, many years". Are you claiming this problem is unique to UVA culture?

I am dealing with facts.

It's a fact that UVA is under investigation for sexual assault related Title IX violations.

It's a fact that UVA is one of 12 schools receiving an even more in depth review due to the deep seeded problems with assault on that campus.

I understand the article is riddled with holes and inaccuracies pertaining to "Jackie" and her story.

But you can't throw the baby out with the bath water and ignore that UVA is one only 12 schools nation wide who is being investigated for serious sexual assault violations.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

I am dealing with facts.

It's a fact that UVA is under investigation for sexual assault related Title IX violations.

It's a fact that UVA is one of 12 schools receiving an even more in depth review due to the deep seeded problems with assault on that campus.

I understand the article is riddled with holes and inaccuracies pertaining to "Jackie" and her story.

But you can't throw the baby out with the bath water and ignore that UVA is one only 12 schools nation wide who is being investigated for serious sexual assault violations.

I have been unable to verify what you keep asserting as fact - that UVA is one of only 12 schools receiving an even more in depth review due to deep seeded problems with assault on that campus.

Do you have any other source besides what Eardly wrote in RS? If so, could you please share a link. If not, then I am seriously LOL.

[1964Alum]

Originally Posted by honorgal

I don't know if it's related to reality and neither do you. Let's deal in facts. Not feelings. Or second hand anecdotes. What are the supporting facts for your contention that "the problem there is very real and has been swept under the carpet for many, many years". Are you claiming this problem is unique to UVA culture?

I trust my friends, individuals of great integrity and high professional achievement. You don't trust yours?

[navane]

Originally Posted by 1964Alum

I trust my friends, individuals of great integrity and high professional achievement. You don't trust yours?

Look, I know a great number of intelligent professionals with integrity. Some of them still believe that sorority women are all hazed because "I heard you guys circle their fat". Having integrity or professional achievements doesn't automatically make one's beliefs factual or correct.

You said, "I heard many, many stories from concerned parents and grandparents about rape on the campus of UVA". To use a silly example, being concerned that your child may drive into a ditch late at night doesn't necessarily mean that she will drive into a ditch or that there is a real, ditch accident epidemic.

The only way I can follow your logic is if you are saying that you have first-hand knowledge that your friends' daughters and grandaughters have been victims of sexual assault at UVA. However, the phrasing "I heard...stories..." doesn't seem to lend itself well to the logic here. To me, that's like someone saying, "I heard stories that you guys circle fat."

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by navane

Look, I know a great number of intelligent professionals with integrity. Some of them still believe that sorority women are all hazed because "I heard you guys circle their fat". Having integrity or professional achievements doesn't automatically make one's beliefs factual or correct.

You said, "I heard many, many stories from concerned parents and grandparents about rape on the campus of UVA". To use a silly example, being concerned that your child may drive into a ditch late at night doesn't necessarily mean that she will drive into a ditch or that there is a real, ditch accident epidemic.

The only way I can follow your logic is if you are saying that you have first-hand knowledge that your friends' daughters and grandaughters have been victims of sexual assault at UVA. However, the phrasing "I heard...stories..." doesn't seem to lend itself well to the logic here. To me, that's like someone saying, "I heard stories that you guys circle fat."

Well,yes, urban legends abound on college campuses.

I would also add that in the specific example of UVA, that community, parents and students would understandably be "concerned" in the wake of the Hannah Graham abduction and murder and the false allegations in the Rolling Stone article. If all of that had happened at my daughter's university in the past 6 months, I would be concerned too. And I would imagine that all sorts of urban legends and rumors would crop up. But concern wouldn't be factual evidence to support making the statement:

"The problem there is very real and has indeed been swept under the carpet for many, many years."