Phi Kappa Psi at U of Virginia Voluntarily Suspends Activities

[1964Alum]

Honorgal, What I DO take as "real facts" are what I have heard from friends who are mothers/grandmothers of UVA students. They were not making up what they told me. Nor was the concern they expressed for their beloved young women studying at UVA an overreaction or made up. These are very sophisticated women with experience with many different cultures of the world and are not easily intimidated or made fearful. And all this well BEFORE the Rolling Stones article.

The problem there is very real and has indeed been swept under the carpet for many, many years.

Are you saying that what I have heard directly from friends whose judgement I respect is a bunch of noise not related to the reality there?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by 1964Alum

Honorgal, What I DO take as "real facts" are what I have heard from friends who are mothers/grandmothers of UVA students. They were not making up what they told me. Nor was the concern they expressed for their beloved young women studying at UVA an overreaction or made up. These are very sophisticated women with experience with many different cultures of the world and are not easily intimidated or made fearful. And all this well BEFORE the Rolling Stones article.

The problem there is very real and has indeed been swept under the carpet for many, many years.

Are you saying that what I have heard directly from friends whose judgement I respect is a bunch of noise not related to the reality there?

I don't know if it's related to reality and neither do you. Let's deal in facts. Not feelings. Or second hand anecdotes. What are the supporting facts for your contention that "the problem there is very real and has been swept under the carpet for many, many years". Are you claiming this problem is unique to UVA culture?

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Further info on the OCR compliance review...this UVA rape advocacy website claims that it was triggered by a lawsuit filed by a student who disputed the outcome of her SMB hearing because it found the student she accused "not guilty". This case was in the news a few times, there was a UVA forensic nurse whom the student accused of mishandling her evidence.

https://uvasexualassaultcoalition.wo...liance-review/

Anyways, in case anyone is interested, the lawsuit was dismissed last month.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/0...t-survivor.htm

Originally Posted by honorgal

I don't know if it's related to reality and neither do you. Let's deal in facts. Not feelings. Or second hand anecdotes. What are the supporting facts for your contention that "the problem there is very real and has been swept under the carpet for many, many years". Are you claiming this problem is unique to UVA culture?

I am dealing with facts.

It's a fact that UVA is under investigation for sexual assault related Title IX violations.

It's a fact that UVA is one of 12 schools receiving an even more in depth review due to the deep seeded problems with assault on that campus.

I understand the article is riddled with holes and inaccuracies pertaining to "Jackie" and her story.

But you can't throw the baby out with the bath water and ignore that UVA is one only 12 schools nation wide who is being investigated for serious sexual assault violations.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

I am dealing with facts.

It's a fact that UVA is under investigation for sexual assault related Title IX violations.

It's a fact that UVA is one of 12 schools receiving an even more in depth review due to the deep seeded problems with assault on that campus.

I understand the article is riddled with holes and inaccuracies pertaining to "Jackie" and her story.

But you can't throw the baby out with the bath water and ignore that UVA is one only 12 schools nation wide who is being investigated for serious sexual assault violations.

I have been unable to verify what you keep asserting as fact - that UVA is one of only 12 schools receiving an even more in depth review due to deep seeded problems with assault on that campus.

Do you have any other source besides what Eardly wrote in RS? If so, could you please share a link. If not, then I am seriously LOL.

[1964Alum]

Originally Posted by honorgal

I don't know if it's related to reality and neither do you. Let's deal in facts. Not feelings. Or second hand anecdotes. What are the supporting facts for your contention that "the problem there is very real and has been swept under the carpet for many, many years". Are you claiming this problem is unique to UVA culture?

I trust my friends, individuals of great integrity and high professional achievement. You don't trust yours?

[navane]

Originally Posted by 1964Alum

I trust my friends, individuals of great integrity and high professional achievement. You don't trust yours?

Look, I know a great number of intelligent professionals with integrity. Some of them still believe that sorority women are all hazed because "I heard you guys circle their fat". Having integrity or professional achievements doesn't automatically make one's beliefs factual or correct.

You said, "I heard many, many stories from concerned parents and grandparents about rape on the campus of UVA". To use a silly example, being concerned that your child may drive into a ditch late at night doesn't necessarily mean that she will drive into a ditch or that there is a real, ditch accident epidemic.

The only way I can follow your logic is if you are saying that you have first-hand knowledge that your friends' daughters and grandaughters have been victims of sexual assault at UVA. However, the phrasing "I heard...stories..." doesn't seem to lend itself well to the logic here. To me, that's like someone saying, "I heard stories that you guys circle fat."

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by navane

Look, I know a great number of intelligent professionals with integrity. Some of them still believe that sorority women are all hazed because "I heard you guys circle their fat". Having integrity or professional achievements doesn't automatically make one's beliefs factual or correct.

You said, "I heard many, many stories from concerned parents and grandparents about rape on the campus of UVA". To use a silly example, being concerned that your child may drive into a ditch late at night doesn't necessarily mean that she will drive into a ditch or that there is a real, ditch accident epidemic.

The only way I can follow your logic is if you are saying that you have first-hand knowledge that your friends' daughters and grandaughters have been victims of sexual assault at UVA. However, the phrasing "I heard...stories..." doesn't seem to lend itself well to the logic here. To me, that's like someone saying, "I heard stories that you guys circle fat."

Well,yes, urban legends abound on college campuses.

I would also add that in the specific example of UVA, that community, parents and students would understandably be "concerned" in the wake of the Hannah Graham abduction and murder and the false allegations in the Rolling Stone article. If all of that had happened at my daughter's university in the past 6 months, I would be concerned too. And I would imagine that all sorts of urban legends and rumors would crop up. But concern wouldn't be factual evidence to support making the statement:

"The problem there is very real and has indeed been swept under the carpet for many, many years."