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Old 08-29-2006, 02:16 AM
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O.K., I have read through the many posts on this thread and have a few things to say. What the IFC frat gentleman is referring to is a totally different experience than what we have in the NPHC. I am an Alpha, or member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. On my campus, we have pretty good relationships with IFC members like Delta Tau Delta (note they do not use Inc. and asked us to take it off the flier). In addition to DTD, Tau Kappa Epsilon and others IFC frats have done programs with my college chapter. In my alumni chapter and many others, there is alot of POLITICS, bickering about senseless/useless things among the work we may do in the community.

Do not knock the IFC because as the gentleman said, they prepare the initiates and members IN COLLEGE to be successful in the real world, something HONESTLY we in the NPHC do not do for the most part as a whole! Now, there are some chapters, some states and regions within all our orgs that BETTER prepare us for the REAL WORLD, but most of the time I do not believe this to be the case.

Also, alumni members of IFC orgs DO GIVE BACK, how do you think they have those BIG fraternity houses (in some cases, not all)? The alumni aspect as the gentleman also eluded to briefly is more of a training nature in college and then financial backing on the alumni ranks, so why do they really need grad/alumni chapters? The fact is they don't to serve the function they need. As an NPHC member, honestly ask yourself how hard it would be to get a SIGNFICANT contribution of money from your a) alumni/grad/grand chapter, b) National Organization?

So, I hope I have shed some light on this situation and not upset anyone from the NPHC/IFC/NPC or other fraternities. And yes, some of the founders of my great organization served as waiters and learned many things from the frat boys at Cornell in regards to a fraternity structure. Is it to say we borrowed rituals, or anything else, no that is not necessarily the case or point? It does however show that there is no need to knock the organizations or members, even if they do not know anything about us or our connection to them or similarities.

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That's all said and done, yes "traditional" ifc members do also become successful. Your main point about 5 pages back was that you never heard of successful BGLO members, which could have been rectified by simple research. Now onto the topic of livelong membership, look at your "traditional" ifc members. Do they still claim the fact that they were a part of a great orginization (which I have no doubt about your or any other "white" fraternity being)? Do they still hold those ideals high, and still contribute to the best interests of the brotherhood/sisterhood? That's why we hold our graduate and alumni chapters to high regard. Because being an Alpha, or a Delta or what have you is a LIFELONG commitment. Not just something that just passes. If it wasn't then you would have lost the meaning of fraternity/brotherhood. And we have people in the senate, we have people in the house of representatives also. So you couldn't really point that out, unless your point is that the majority of people in office are white.

(and before you assume, I am a white member of a BGLO)
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Old 08-29-2006, 02:26 AM
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It was POPULARIZED by the media outlets! Those images of white guys are POPULARIZED by the media too, thats why you have places like JCREW, Banana Republic etc.! If the media never reported or showed these types of things, no one would REALLY care because it would only exist in our own little worlds.
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Old 08-29-2006, 02:38 AM
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You said "but then again we're not as prone to fads as you guys." but get yourself all worked up over whites who dress, look, or act black. TOO FUNNY!
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Old 08-29-2006, 02:52 AM
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Just because the KAPPAS were mentioned doesn't mean he started dressing like YALL because ALL KAPPAS don't dress like those in the pic.
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Old 08-29-2006, 03:09 PM
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Nobody is saying thats how all _______ dress. When I said we're not as prone to fads, that wasnt white-black, that was southern fraternity types v. everyone else on this board.
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Old 08-29-2006, 03:27 PM
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Yeah, that School Daze movie by Spike Lee was good.
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Old 08-29-2006, 04:20 PM
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Yeah, that School Daze movie by Spike Lee was good.
[IMG]http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiJGlvRE68sA66yjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=129jq7c8b/EXP=1156966342/**http%3a//www.upcomingdiscs.com/covers/schooldazedvd.jpg[/IMG]
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:10 PM
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hehe i'm like how did this thread become SO off topic?
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:19 PM
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hehe i'm like how did this thread become SO off topic?
The answer is really very simple:

Because some topics on GC (especially race-based), are so sensitive to those posting, that the debaters oftentimes debate with their emotions instead of debating using facts and the truth. Also, posters tend to debate with a goal of trying to "yell the loudest" instead of to seek a mutual understanding among the participants, not necessarily an agreement, but an understanding. Thus, you get all the below-the-belt insults, name-calling, and flame wars which hijack the thread.

When GCers post to debate the facts and get an understanding, you get some really good discussions going. Believe it or not, it has happened here on GC with race-based topics, albeit not very often.

Hope this helps.
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:50 PM
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:05 PM
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O.K., I have read through the many posts on this thread and have a few things to say. What the IFC frat gentleman is referring to is a totally different experience than what we have in the NPHC. I am an Alpha, or member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. On my campus, we have pretty good relationships with IFC members like Delta Tau Delta (note they do not use Inc. and asked us to take it off the flier). In addition to DTD, Tau Kappa Epsilon and others IFC frats have done programs with my college chapter. In my alumni chapter and many others, there is alot of POLITICS, bickering about senseless/useless things among the work we may do in the community.

Do not knock the IFC because as the gentleman said, they prepare the initiates and members IN COLLEGE to be successful in the real world, something HONESTLY we in the NPHC do not do for the most part as a whole! Now, there are some chapters, some states and regions within all our orgs that BETTER prepare us for the REAL WORLD, but most of the time I do not believe this to be the case.

Also, alumni members of IFC orgs DO GIVE BACK, how do you think they have those BIG fraternity houses (in some cases, not all)? The alumni aspect as the gentleman also eluded to briefly is more of a training nature in college and then financial backing on the alumni ranks, so why do they really need grad/alumni chapters? The fact is they don't to serve the function they need. As an NPHC member, honestly ask yourself how hard it would be to get a SIGNFICANT contribution of money from your a) alumni/grad/grand chapter, b) National Organization?

So, I hope I have shed some light on this situation and not upset anyone from the NPHC/IFC/NPC or other fraternities. And yes, some of the founders of my great organization served as waiters and learned many things from the frat boys at Cornell in regards to a fraternity structure. Is it to say we borrowed rituals, or anything else, no that is not necessarily the case or point? It does however show that there is no need to knock the organizations or members, even if they do not know anything about us or our connection to them or similarities.
Finally, an intelligent post.
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:39 PM
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Finally, an intelligent post.
I agree.

I did not even know about goups other than IFC for most of my college years.

I now find myself 'lurking' in some of the threads here trying to play catch-up.
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Old 08-30-2006, 11:30 PM
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In my alumni chapter and many others, there is alot of POLITICS, bickering about senseless/useless things among the work we may do in the community.
What's the significance of sharing this? Politics is everywhere. It simply manifests itself differently based on the context.

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Do not knock the IFC because as the gentleman said, they prepare the initiates and members IN COLLEGE to be successful in the real world, something HONESTLY we in the NPHC do not do for the most part as a whole! Now, there are some chapters, some states and regions within all our orgs that BETTER prepare us for the REAL WORLD, but most of the time I do not believe this to be the case.
This "most of the time" is based on what? If there are "chapters, some states and regions" that better prepare people then why make this point in the first place? Nothing is 100% and that includes how well IFC orgs supposedly prepare members for the real world.

Perhaps some collegiates are simply too immature to see the forest through the trees. For instance while some NPHCers think the main point of step shows is to beat the competition and stroll around in 'nalia, the main point is really to learn planning, fundraising, leadership, and networking skills. On another note, folks need to stop expecting BGLOs to make them into men and women. We provide networking opportunities and teach many strong points, including developing a skill-base. However, "lifetime commitment" doesn't mean that we hold your hand through college and the rest of your life.

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As an NPHC member, honestly ask yourself how hard it would be to get a SIGNFICANT contribution of money from your a) alumni/grad/grand chapter, b) National Organization?
I hope this wasn't rhetorical because my answer is "not difficult at all" based on my experiences with NHQ and various alumnae chapters across the country. I see worthy people donating SIGNIFICANTLY to worthy causes when they know their contributions will not be wasted. If you read your frat's journal publication you will probably see the SIGNIFICANT contributions from the Alpha grad chapters and nhq--at least other organizations include that info in their publications.

And I'm not "offended" by anything that you posted but I wanted clarity on the things I quoted. I know that some people on this board take one NPHCer's opinion as golden so it's important to be clear that these are opinions and nothing more.
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Old 08-31-2006, 10:41 AM
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Just because the KAPPAS were mentioned doesn't mean he started dressing like YALL because ALL KAPPAS don't dress like those in the pic.
Ok. He's new to GC so I'll let that go. He does't know any better.
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Old 09-13-2006, 03:22 PM
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O.K., I have read through the many posts on this thread and have a few things to say. What the IFC frat gentleman is referring to is a totally different experience than what we have in the NPHC. I am an Alpha, or member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. On my campus, we have pretty good relationships with IFC members like Delta Tau Delta (note they do not use Inc. and asked us to take it off the flier). In addition to DTD, Tau Kappa Epsilon and others IFC frats have done programs with my college chapter. In my alumni chapter and many others, there is alot of POLITICS, bickering about senseless/useless things among the work we may do in the community.

Do not knock the IFC because as the gentleman said, they prepare the initiates and members IN COLLEGE to be successful in the real world, something HONESTLY we in the NPHC do not do for the most part as a whole! Now, there are some chapters, some states and regions within all our orgs that BETTER prepare us for the REAL WORLD, but most of the time I do not believe this to be the case.

Also, alumni members of IFC orgs DO GIVE BACK, how do you think they have those BIG fraternity houses (in some cases, not all)? The alumni aspect as the gentleman also eluded to briefly is more of a training nature in college and then financial backing on the alumni ranks, so why do they really need grad/alumni chapters? The fact is they don't to serve the function they need. As an NPHC member, honestly ask yourself how hard it would be to get a SIGNFICANT contribution of money from your a) alumni/grad/grand chapter, b) National Organization?

So, I hope I have shed some light on this situation and not upset anyone from the NPHC/IFC/NPC or other fraternities. And yes, some of the founders of my great organization served as waiters and learned many things from the frat boys at Cornell in regards to a fraternity structure. Is it to say we borrowed rituals, or anything else, no that is not necessarily the case or point? It does however show that there is no need to knock the organizations or members, even if they do not know anything about us or our connection to them or similarities.
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