Why do multicultural GLOs/organizations exist?

[brobuzzz]

I really do not want people to think I have anything against NIC/NPC organizations. I feel the missions are amazing and I concur with all of them because they are very similar to non WGLO organizations. However, on my campus, many many many people in those organizations are not in it for the service or betterment of the community, but are in it for partying, which is against my values.

Sealawering does not remove one from criticism. "I don't have any legitimate reason for saying this, but I view "white" fraternities as immoral and hypocritical. Oh, and I base this belief of the experiences shared with me by RUSHEES of some fraternities. I never actually spoke to any brothers because they're all immoral hypocrites. But hey, I can say all this, I'm a rich white kid from philly."

values

n : beliefs of a person or social group in which they have an emotional investment (either for or against something);

mor·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (môrl, mr-)
adj.
Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character:

im·mor·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-môrl, -mr-)
adj.
Contrary to established moral principles.

Remember logic equations? If not P then not Q. If not Q then not R. Therefore if not P then not R. If it's against someone's values and values are the same as morals then the same thing is considered immoral by said person.

[brobuzzz]

It all boils down to joining a group that you want/wish to belong to and you enjoy and other people respecting/accepting your wish. You may not agree or understand that someone wants to be in a MCGLO, but you respect their decision - just as you want them to respect you.

I don't care what people do with their time any money. I don't care who other people's friends are. I do care, however, when someone tries to explain their own actions by insulting mine.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by brobuzzz

Sealawering does not remove one from criticism. "I don't have any legitimate reason for saying this, but I view "white" fraternities as immoral and hypocritical. Oh, and I base this belief of the experiences shared with me by RUSHEES of some fraternities. I never actually spoke to any brothers because they're all immoral hypocrites. But hey, I can say all this, I'm a rich white kid from philly."

I really don't see how you read his statement and get that. I mean, he just plain and simple never said it. In his personal experience at his school at rush, he wasn't impressed with what he saw from IFC groups, although he doesn't have any problem with the people in those chapters and realizes that the groups are different at other chapters and on a national level. He found something else that worked for him and he chose that path. How can you possibly be offended by that?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by brobuzzz

Sealawering does not remove one from criticism. "I don't have any legitimate reason for saying this, but I view "white" fraternities as immoral and hypocritical. Oh, and I base this belief of the experiences shared with me by RUSHEES of some fraternities. I never actually spoke to any brothers because they're all immoral hypocrites. But hey, I can say all this, I'm a rich white kid from philly."




Remember logic equations? If not P then not Q. If not Q then not R. Therefore if not P then not R. If it's against someone's values and values are the same as morals then the same thing is considered immoral by said person.

lol you just took what he said and ran 3 miles further with it. If you're going to get this upset everytime someone says something about IFC/NIC fraternities.. you're going to have a rough time on GC

/and maybe an ulcer
//can't spell anuerism...

ETA: ok, I can spell it now... but i'm not changing it because it ruins the funny

[tunatartare]

a-n-e-u-r-i-sm

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

I really don't see how you read his statement and get that. I mean, he just plain and simple never said it. In his personal experience at his school at rush, he wasn't impressed with what he saw from IFC groups, although he doesn't have any problem with the people in those chapters and realizes that the groups are different at other chapters and on a national level. He found something else that worked for him and he chose that path. How can you possibly be offended by that?

Hence my twisted panties comment. I wouldn't be upset if someone, not a member of my chapter, said they didn't feel like my chapter was right for them.
They might only see the parties because they live by where the buses pick us up, or they might not see the service projects because they're not around campus much.
It doesn't make my chapter any less because of it.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by brobuzzz

I don't care what people do with their time any money. I don't care who other people's friends are. I do care, however, when someone tries to explain their own actions by insulting mine.

Brobuzzz-

Not sure if you are saying that my statement is insulting to you or if you think I was backing up someone else who was insulting you.

My statement was meant to take an issue that is getting very divisive (yeah, I probably spelled it wrong) on here and trying to state the plain and simple. One thing that attracted me to Sigma Chi was its creed. My favorite part of the creed says: Friendships among brothers of different temperments and talents is superior to friendships among brothers of the same temperments and talents. Again, people should join groups that they are comfortable with and other people should accept their decision.

Edited: Realized that I misidentified "The Spirit of Sigma Chi" as "The Sigma Chi Creed".

The Spirit of Sigma Chi

Friendship among members, sharing a common belief in an ideal,...

and possessing different temperaments, talents, and convictions,...

is superior to friendship among members having the same temperaments, talents, and convicitons, and that...

Genuine friendship can be maintained without surrendering the principle of individuality or
sacrificing one's personal judgement.

[AlphaFrog]

I think a few people here need to take a hockey puck sized chill pill and re-read what was actually said.

Brobuzzz - I'm not sure how you think you're being insulted or attacked. If Drolefille was attacking you, you'd know it, trust me.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Some people like being around people like themselves (not in a "I'm a card carrying KKK" way)

you'd be surprised with some of the people on this site.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

I'm kind of confused about what you're asking here ... can you clarify this (about the forgiveness thing)?

What I'm asking is whether some cultures are more likely to forgive and forget, therefore more likely to join organizations that once prohibited them from doing so. I'm just asking because many Asians seem to join country and city clubs around here, even though most may have had white-only clauses in the past.

[shinerbock]

I don't think it is forgiveness as much as the desire to be in a exclusive group. It takes very strong loyalty to not fall into the "if you can't beat them,join them" situation. I think that is just part of human desire to be accepted. Its the same as people who deny their friends to get into a top tier fraternity, abandon their beliefs about social injustice to join the social elite, etc...

[brobuzzz]

I personally come from a well-to-do background from the Philadelphia area and am Caucasian. I'm like the classic definition of a WASP.

However, I chose not to join a "white" fraternity because of how I was introduced to them. As a freshman, my roommates were rushing those organizations. All they did was party and drink. Nowhere did I see the committment to service and dedication to the ideals of their organizations which bothered me greatly.

”I was introduced to fraternities by rushees.” Nowhere does it say anything about rushing or even speaking to brothers of said fraternities. “The rushees did not uphold the ideals of the fraternity (hypocritical).”

I chose to join my organization, an Asian-Interest Cultural Fraternity, because it was created to educate other about culture and the importance of it as well as be a haven for Asian/Asian American men during college and beyond.

”I am not Asian, but I want to be part of an organization that is dedicated to the advancement of Asians.” This I don’t get, it seems like a rather socialistic view, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Question, if you're group is a haven for asians from white people, and you're white, wouldn't you be violating the very pricipales of your group?

I totally agree with those people who say that NPC/NIC orgs are great orgs. I have a bunch of friends who are incredibly involved in the success and development of their organization. However, the majority of the members, in the fraternities at least, don't do the service and only do the partying. Are all organizations like this at every school? Hell no.

”Most of the members I don’t chill with don’t truly believe in the standards of their fraternity. Most of the members of the fraternity I never pursued do nothing for the fraternity.” First and last sentences, sealawering, that is, attempting to insult someone or their views while at the same time removing all liability for having said what you said. For example, “No offence, but you’re an ass.”

NIC/NPC organizations have very similar values save the specific cultural aspects that BGLOs, LGLOs, AGLOs, MCGLOs have. The reality is that there are more white people in this country. White people are at the top of the racial food chain. White people don't have to worry about racial profiling. White people aren't always expected to "speak for the race". These two factors (sheer numbers and the need for a haven for a specific community) is why I feel that a higher percentage of people in BGLOs, LGLOs, AGLOs, MCGLOs are committed to the organizational ideals in an active sense.

Non-IFC/NPC groups are inferior to specialized, racial ones because they promote the advancemt of all people and all cultures, not just one single culture or group. These organizations are necessary because non-white people should have the choice of not associating with white people, (just like the real world?).

I really do not want people to think I have anything against NIC/NPC organizations. I feel the missions are amazing and I concur with all of them because they are very similar to non WGLO organizations. However, on my campus, many many many people in those organizations are not in it for the service or betterment of the community, but are in it for partying, which is against my values.

Lots of people in IFC fraternities do not believe in what they say they do and just like to drink. In my opinion, this makes them immoral. (the drinking or the supposed hypocrisy?) Plus more sealawering crap.

Are there people in BGLOs, LGLOs, AGLOs, MCGLOs in it just for the partying? Yes, of course, but I'd argue that they are a much smaller percentage (unfortunately) than in NIC/NPC organizations.

My group is guilty of the same things I accuse others of, but there’s fewer of us, so it’s cool.

What matters to me is committment to the pillars/tenets of your organization on a consistent basis, even after graduation regardless of what "group" their organization serves. If you follow the mission set out by your Founders, then you will promote the ideals of your organization until the day you die.

What really matters to me can be found in IFC fraternities, but I still don’t like them.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by brobuzzz

”I was introduced to fraternities by rushees.” Nowhere does it say anything about rushing or even speaking to brothers of said fraternities. “The rushees did not uphold the ideals of the fraternity (hypocritical).”

”I am not Asian, but I want to be part of an organization that is dedicated to the advancement of Asians.” This I don’t get, it seems like a rather socialistic view, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Question, if you're group is a haven for asians from white people, and you're white, wouldn't you be violating the very pricipales of your group?

”Most of the members I don’t chill with don’t truly believe in the standards of their fraternity. Most of the members of the fraternity I never pursued do nothing for the fraternity.” First and last sentences, sealawering, that is, attempting to insult someone or their views while at the same time removing all liability for having said what you said. For example, “No offence, but you’re an ass.”

Non-IFC/NPC groups are inferior to specialized, racial ones because they promote the advancemt of all people and all cultures, not just one single culture or group. These organizations are necessary because non-white people should have the choice of not associating with white people, (just like the real world?).

Lots of people in IFC fraternities do not believe in what they say they do and just like to drink. In my opinion, this makes them immoral. (the drinking or the supposed hypocrisy?) Plus more sealawering crap.

My group is guilty of the same things I accuse others of, but there’s fewer of us, so it’s cool.

What really matters to me can be found in IFC fraternities, but I still don’t like them.

I want to learn to read things into statements that aren't there. Do you have a newsletter? Or a class?

Seriously.

As one TINY example:

My group is guilty of the same things I accuse others of, but there’s fewer of us, so it’s cool.

Amazing! For example I read this as: While some non-NPC/IFC groups exist only to party, I believe that that percentage is much smaller than the number of IFC/NPC groups that exist only to party. This is unfortunate.

[brobuzzz]

Will you agree that there are more IFC/NPC groups than Non-IFC/NPC groups like the ones being discussed here?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by brobuzzz

Will you agree that there are more IFC/NPC groups than Non-IFC/NPC groups like the ones being discussed here?

Yes, and I see where you're going, note the word "percentage"