The 2008 Election Day LIVE Thread

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

For the KSigs! Take heart...

The "Grand Young Party" : http://www.newsweek.com/id/40211#?l=...9&t=1902591231

I would hope the future of the party would be better at beer pong...but I digress

I cringed at the woman who talked about Palin being the future of the party, but otherwise I thought they had some interesting things to say. It will be an intriguing next four years for the GOP, and I'm eager to see how the party responds to this election.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I would hope the future of the party would be better at beer pong...but I digress

I heard that Bobby Jindal plays a mean game of Beirut.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

The US Constitution says electors cannot vote for more than one candidate (President or VP) from their own state.

Which section please? And also, what about Alaska and Maine, who split up their votes. Or do they have different electors? Sorry for all the questions.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

LOL -- put on Comedy Central NOW. SouthPark on election result.

You can watch the episode online: http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/207897/

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Which section please? And also, what about Alaska and Maine, who split up their votes. Or do they have different electors? Sorry for all the questions.

Article II, sections 2:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

Note the "in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct." That means each state decides how to appoint electors. Most states have a winner-take-all system, where the electors from that state vote for whoever won the popular vote in that state.

As for Maine and Nebraska (not Alaska), they apportion their votes, I believe, by Congressional district. One elector comes from each Congressional district and votes for whoever won the popular vote their Congressional district. The remaining two electors vote for whoever won the popular vote statewide.

As for the other question, the first paragraph of the Twelfth Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

[nittanyalum]

^^^Yeah, I wonder how many people know that the process (the technical, actual process) of the electoral college isn't anywhere near being complete yet? The general election is just the start, here's the rest of the schedule:

November 4, 2008 - General Election: The voters in each State choose electors to serve in the Electoral College. As soon as election results are final, the States prepare seven or nine original "Certificates of Ascertainment" of the electors chosen, and send one original along with two certified copies (or three originals, if nine were prepared) to the Archivist of the United States.

December 15, 2008 - Meeting of Electors: The electors in each State meet to select the President and Vice President of the United States. The electors record their votes on six "Certificates of Vote," which are paired with the six remaining original "Certificates of Ascertainment." The electors sign, seal and certify the packages of electoral votes and immediately send them to the President of the Senate, the Archivist of the United States and other designated Federal and State officials.

December 24, 2008 - Deadline for Receipt of Electoral Votes: The President of the Senate, the Archivist of the United States, and other designated Federal and State officials must have the electoral votes in hand.

January 6, 2009 - Counting Electoral Votes in Congress: The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes (unless Congress passes a law to change the date).

http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...q.html#process

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

^^^Yeah, I wonder how many people know that the process (the technical, actual process) of the electoral college isn't anywhere near being complete yet? The general election is just the start, here's the rest of the schedule:

November 4, 2008 - General Election: The voters in each State choose electors to serve in the Electoral College. As soon as election results are final, the States prepare seven or nine original "Certificates of Ascertainment" of the electors chosen, and send one original along with two certified copies (or three originals, if nine were prepared) to the Archivist of the United States.

December 15, 2008 - Meeting of Electors: The electors in each State meet to select the President and Vice President of the United States. The electors record their votes on six "Certificates of Vote," which are paired with the six remaining original "Certificates of Ascertainment." The electors sign, seal and certify the packages of electoral votes and immediately send them to the President of the Senate, the Archivist of the United States and other designated Federal and State officials.

December 24, 2008 - Deadline for Receipt of Electoral Votes: The President of the Senate, the Archivist of the United States, and other designated Federal and State officials must have the electoral votes in hand.

January 6, 2009 - Counting Electoral Votes in Congress: The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes (unless Congress passes a law to change the date).

http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...q.html#process

I've been a couple of times to see the meeting of the electors in CT. Kind of interesting - at the time I attended, the public was allowed to watch, and it's a good thing to witness if you're curious about the process.

[DaemonSeid]

This just in...Obama has won NORTH CAROLINA

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/...north_carolina

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

This just in...Obama has won NORTH CAROLINA

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/...north_carolina

Hey, good work, MC!

[epchick]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Again, this is an overstatement. Laws regarding electors vary from state to state. Some states (I can't tell you whether it is a majority of states or not) have laws that prohibit an elector from voting for a candidate other than the one who won the polular vote in that state. For example, technically in North Carolina, if you voted for Obama and Biden, you were not voting for them per se, you were voting for the 15 electors nominated by the NC Democratic Party. Likewise with McCain/Palin and the 15 electors nominated by the NCGOP. The electors nominated by the party of the candidate that wins the popular vote are themselves elected as NC's electors. NC law says that "[a]ny presidential elector . . . who fails to attend and vote for the candidate of the political party which nominated such elector . . . shall forfeit and pay to the State five hundred dollars . . . . In addition to such forfeiture, refusal or failure to vote for the candidates of the political party which nominated such elector shall constitute a resignation from the office of elector, his vote shall not be recorded, and the remaining electors shall forthwith fill such vacancy" as provided by law.

I totally understand what you are talking about. And I know that we aren't voting for the candidates. But if what I quoted was an "overstatement" it wasn't mine, but the government's overstatement because I quoted them directly.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Article II, sections 2:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

Note the "in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct." That means each state decides how to appoint electors. Most states have a winner-take-all system, where the electors from that state vote for whoever won the popular vote in that state.

As for Maine and Nebraska (not Alaska), they apportion their votes, I believe, by Congressional district. One elector comes from each Congressional district and votes for whoever won the popular vote their Congressional district. The remaining two electors vote for whoever won the popular vote statewide.

As for the other question, the first paragraph of the Twelfth Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

^^^Yeah, I wonder how many people know that the process (the technical, actual process) of the electoral college isn't anywhere near being complete yet? The general election is just the start, here's the rest of the schedule:

November 4, 2008 - General Election: The voters in each State choose electors to serve in the Electoral College. As soon as election results are final, the States prepare seven or nine original "Certificates of Ascertainment" of the electors chosen, and send one original along with two certified copies (or three originals, if nine were prepared) to the Archivist of the United States.

December 15, 2008 - Meeting of Electors: The electors in each State meet to select the President and Vice President of the United States. The electors record their votes on six "Certificates of Vote," which are paired with the six remaining original "Certificates of Ascertainment." The electors sign, seal and certify the packages of electoral votes and immediately send them to the President of the Senate, the Archivist of the United States and other designated Federal and State officials.

December 24, 2008 - Deadline for Receipt of Electoral Votes: The President of the Senate, the Archivist of the United States, and other designated Federal and State officials must have the electoral votes in hand.

January 6, 2009 - Counting Electoral Votes in Congress: The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes (unless Congress passes a law to change the date).

http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...q.html#process

Thank you both!

okay, so it was Nebraska..interesting...

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by epchick

I totally understand what you are talking about. And I know that we aren't voting for the candidates. But if what I quoted was an "overstatement" it wasn't mine, but the government's overstatement because I quoted them directly.

Ah well, should we say "close enough for government work"?.

[pinksirfidel]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

I'm just so glad this election is over! Can we stop being foremost Republicans and Democrats and just be Americans again?

Yes...Americans! I'm ready to just an American.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

This just in...Obama has won NORTH CAROLINA

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/...north_carolina

Wow. This was most shocking for me!

Originally Posted by Tinia2

I heard a story, while on the way home, that surprised me to the point I had to "fact check" it. Which in turn lead to a few other surprises.

Today's entire production run of The New York Times SOLD OUT. And The Times, in what maybe a first, ran an afternoon production run of 50,000 more papers.

I showed up at 8AM trying to get a copy of the New York Times, only to find that all issues were sold out in my city! I immediately called and ordered a reprint! ha ha.

[pinksirfidel]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

McCain's speech was very touching and it really seemed heart-felt. It reminded me of the senator I respected so much 20 years ago, before this whole campaign began. I wish him well as he returns to his important work in the Senate.

I kept screaming at the TV.... Where in the hell has he been? That is the REAL JOHN MCCAIN! He has been locked in the closet for the whole election process. I totally felt for him. He has worked how many years for this? I'm just glad to have him back.

[nittanyalum]

Paging KSigkid!

I think you'll like this article my father sent me from the American Spectator: http://www.spectator.org/archives/20...-freedom/print