Embarrsing another GDI wearing Greek Shirts

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Vito wasn't talking about event t-shirts (for mixers, Greek week, what have you). He was talking about a screen printed t-shirt with nothing but Greek letters on it and why that would be OK for nonmembers to wear, but stitched letters are verboten.

I realize that. But I'd bet money that the stitched-letters criteria has its roots in the distinction I was making (many pages ago now).

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It depends on the context.

It isn't about ill-manner but rather about different protocols and traditions across councils/conferences and GLOs.

Sorry, but I just can't think of any context where intentionally embarrassing someone is anything but ill-mannered.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Sorry, but I just can't think of any context where intentionally embarrassing someone is anything but ill-mannered.

Then don't YOU do it.

Also, there is no universal standard for what is considered embarassing someone and ill-mannered.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Sorry, but I just can't think of any context where intentionally embarrassing someone is anything but ill-mannered.

Known perp continuing to wear letters even when s/he has been "quietly" warned not to wear them?

[katydidKD]

I know from my discussions with NPHC members that letters are taken much more seriously than in NPC/IFC chapters. So i can see how the reaction of a non-NPHC member wearing NPHC letters would reflect this. I was blown away that it is unacceptable to wear NPHC letters in any pattern (like polka dots) or any color that isn't theirs (with the exception of neutrals like white/black/gray.)

NPHC chapters (from what NPHC members told me, I could be wrong) follow rules that NPC's are supposed to follow but don't. Like having letters on your behind. No NPHC member would ever do this (again, what I was told) This is done a lot in NPC's, but someone from a greek apparel company told me that according to licensing, no NPC org technically permits that, however it is still popular and done. My chapter has a rule against this, and we follow it, but others don't.

[knight_shadow]

^^^ I obviously can't speak definitively on NPHC, but the same often holds true in LGLOs and MCGLOs.

That's part of the reason that I didn't see the difference between stitched vs screen printed, but I stand by my initial response: different strokes for different folks

[katydidKD]

I see how that is the most silly/superficial thing ever and how that doesn't make sense to you, but I know why. Just like others have said, usually if something is screenprinted, it is for an event, where people who aren't members can attend and are given shirts. Block stitch letters denotes being a member by tradition. Screenprint does not.

[katydidKD]

Also, a relevant story, one of my sisters is a double legacy to another sorority and wore her mothers letters to hs (not knowing what that meant) and there was a pic of her on fb in them. She took that down immediately when she realized how terrible that looked/was super embarrassed. No one really saw it since it was a super old random pic amongst hundreds. Some people really just don't know if they aren't familiar with the system.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

I see how that is the most silly/superficial thing ever and how that doesn't make sense to you, but I know why. Just like others have said, usually if something is screenprinted, it is for an event, where people who aren't members can attend and are given shirts. Block stitch letters denotes being a member by tradition. Screenprint does not.

Didn't say it was silly -- just different.

[katydidKD]

True, but different rules for different fabrics of letters does sound silly if I say so myself, and a lot of others have commented along those lines.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Then don't YOU do it.

Also, there is no universal standard for what is considered embarassing someone and ill-mannered.

To be clear, I didn't say it is ill-mannered to embarrass someone. I said it is ill-mannered to intentionally embarrass someone. If one's intent is to let some non-member know that they shouldn't be wearing letters, then there's not necessarily any intentional embarrassment even if there is actual embarrassment.

But I'll defer to your wisdom and insight. This time.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Known perp continuing to wear letters even when s/he has been "quietly" warned not to wear them?

Maybe. Maybe. (And I'll readily admit that I haven't been faced with this situation, nor do I think it is as common with my org as it may be with some others.)

But again, my comment was couched in terms of "getting back to the original topic of this thread," which started with this gem:

Originally Posted by UNFSigmaChi

I was shopping the other day for a mothers day present when i saw this guy wearing a UF Greek Week shirt. So i was like hey man what Fraternity are you in, im a Sigma Chi?" Hes like what makes you think im in a fraternity??? Im like ummmm welll maybe that greek week shirt. And he says haha oh ya well im on the UF soccer team and one of my teammates left it at my place and I just wear it for the greek letters. So im like oh so your trying to act cool then huh?! He got a little pissed and was like hey i play soccer for UF, i am cool. Im like well would you get pissed if you saw someone wearing a UF soccer shirt who didn't play soccer for UF. Hes like hell ya i would....and then i laughed and was like well why the hell are you wearing a Greek week shirt when YOUR NOT GREEK!!! He didn't say anything and his friends laughed at him. It was so great! Anyways thought i had to share.

There are ways to get your point across to an @$$ without being an @$$ youself.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

No NPHC member would ever do this (again, what I was told)

Not true. That varies by organization and chapter.

The main point is that outsiders' opinions don't matter. It is great to discuss different perspectives but they truly mean nothing.

[agzg]

LOLWUT at this whole thread.

Also, I find the thread title to be embarrassing.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

To be clear, I didn't say it is ill-mannered to embarrass someone. I said it is ill-mannered to intentionally embarrass someone. If one's intent is to let some non-member know that they shouldn't be wearing letters, then there's not necessarily any intentional embarrassment even if there is actual embarrassment.

Rationales vary.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But I'll defer to your wisdom and insight. This time.

Don't patronize me. LOL.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

There are ways to get your point across to an @$$ without being an @$$ youself.

Sometimes. Sometimes not. That's why rationales vary and it depends on the context.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Don't patronize me. LOL.

I wasn't patronizing you.

This time.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I wasn't patronizing you.

This time.

*stealing your coffee*

NOW WHAT?!