Phi Kappa Psi at U of Virginia Voluntarily Suspends Activities

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And with some states adopting those "yes means yes" laws, we are now putting men accused of rape in the unique position of having to prove their innocence rather than the state being required to prove their guilt.

You know damn well that's not what these laws do.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

You know damn well that's not what these laws do.

You have been misinformed.

ETA: There is no "state" in the case of affirmative consent laws (yet) because the laws only apply to college kids. (Because that where there is a "crisis", natch.) But it most certainly does shift the burden of proof.

An accuser comes to the university with a claim of rape. The accused says they had consenual sex. Under the new law, the accused must prove that they obtained ongoing consent, throughout the entire sexual encounter. If they can't prove it, they are guilty of rape.

For more, DeltaBetaBaby, I suggest you read the editorial debate between Jonathan Chait and Ezra Klien.

[SOM]

Rolling Stone’s UVA disaster just got a whole lot worse

Bizarre new details are the most damning yet — but it's essential not to overgeneralize their importance http://www.salon.com/2014/12/11/roll...rce=newsletter

[AnchorAlum]

Salon's article does go back to the comments made earlier regarding possible issues about Jackie's emotional and mental state, which should be of concern here as well.

I think that UVA's student body is going through some emotional upheaval this semester in general, beginning with the death of Hannah Graham and ultimately coming to a head with this situation. I'm not familiar at all with the culture of UVA, but I think we'd all agree that it's a campus and institution that has over the years earned a reputation for high academic standing and reputation. If this has also created a culture of privilege and social norms that should not be tolerated regardless of an institution's lofty reputation, then by all means this has to at the very least serve as a sobering wake up call. I sincerely hope that Jackie is able to move forward in her life, whether she was truly an assault victim or not.

[1964Alum]

There is still so much we don't know. For one thing, we don't know what Ederly wrote and the Rolling Stone published was Jackie's actual account to her or if it was Ederly's embellishment to make a more spectacular and attention-grabbing story.

Both UVA and the office of the Attorney General of Virginia have initiated investigations, the findings of which have as yet to be released. Additionally, the President of UVA has convened an ad hoc committee comprised of alums, faculty, and student representatives which include members of the GLOs on campus to address the problems which have been revealed with students coming forward with their own stories as a result of the RS story. The president of the Inter Sorority council is a committee member. As reported in the Cavalier Daily and elsewhere, President Sullivan has found the ideas generated within this committee, especially from students, to be very good and workable ones.

UVA students, faculty, alums, and community members are very proud of their school, and are focused on correcting flaws in the system that have failed many.

It should also not be lost on anyone that President Sullivan initiated talks with some of the fraternities -including the one mentioned in the RS article- last spring, well before the RS article appeared. The school is also but one of 12 that will be intensely investigated under the Title IX requirements. Also WELL before the RS article.

Now back to my regularly-scheduled program, which in my case is the magnificent DVD of The Three Tenors Christmas Concert filmed in Vienna, Austria in 1999.

[robinseggblue]

Navane: http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...d.php?t=145009

Btw, the only reason I know the name of the frat is because I read it every time I click this thread.

From your own quote: "For example, an alleged attacker that Jackie identified to them for the first time this week"

From what I've read it doesn't sound like she identified any of the alleged attackers until all of this started coming out and being investigated.

And there's a difference between what certain people who are part of the investigation know and what is released to the public. A vague description like blonde hair, blue eyes, junior who worked as a lifeguard in 2012 isn't going to identify anyone unless someone is familiar with who worked as a lifeguard that semester. And it's certainly not going to provide fuel to as many crazy people who are out there and send threats and stuff.

I'm not saying the fraternity shouldn't know who is accusing them or that investigators or journalists shouldn't know. I merely think it's unfair for her name to have been released to the general public.

The guy's name didn't come out to the public at any point (from when he was accused of the crime until now) so no I don't think it's fair that her name comes out to the public at this point in time. That's a double standard and her safety has been compromised while this is still being investigated. No, I don't think that's fair.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by robinseggblue

I'm not saying the fraternity shouldn't know who is accusing them or that investigators or journalists shouldn't know. I merely think it's unfair for her name to have been released to the general public.

I don't understand the notion of naming her to the public, either. What purpose does that serve beyond putting her safety at risk? I know that the fraternity was harassed and vandalized. That was bad. People should be punished accordingly. But we do not live in a society where we mete out "eye-for-an-eye" justice.

[SOM]

Was asked to post this directly here. robinseggblue posted a link to my OP: Side bar to over-all stories we all have been seeing about UVA. Given to past issues and problems that GLO's have had at SDSU one would have thought, hoped that they learned something by now.

Student Body President Pressured To Resign After His Frat Harassed Anti-Rape Activists

A student activist group at San Diego State University is calling for the resignation of the student body president because he belongs to one of two fraternities whose members are accused of waving dildos, throwing eggs and shouting obscenities at Take Back The Night marchers last month.
Marchers participating in the anti-sexual assault march reported taunts from the Sigma Phi Epsilon and Delta Sigma Phi fraternity houses, according to the Daily Aztec, an independent campus newspaper. Sigma Phi Epsilon members allegedly shouted obscenities at marchers, while Delta Sigma Phi brothers reportedly waved sex toys and threw eggs. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6305258.html

[SOM]

The Association of Fraternity/Sorority Advisors (AFA); College Student Educators International (ACPA); the Association of Student Conduct Administrators (ASCA); and Student Affairs Administrators in Higher Education (NASPA); issue this statement in response to the recent fallout from the Rolling Stone article regarding the student and institutional responses to sexual assault at the University of Virginia. These events illuminate the duty of all professionals on our campuses to ensure that accusations of sexual assault, including those involving members of fraternities and sororities, are handled in a manner that protects the rights and well-being of victims of sexual violence. https://t.e2ma.net/webview/6w1oj/d8c...d90352bf0f7c57

[1964Alum]

Originally Posted by SOM

The Association of Fraternity/Sorority Advisors (AFA); College Student Educators International (ACPA); the Association of Student Conduct Administrators (ASCA); and Student Affairs Administrators in Higher Education (NASPA); issue this statement in response to the recent fallout from the Rolling Stone article regarding the student and institutional responses to sexual assault at the University of Virginia. These events illuminate the duty of all professionals on our campuses to ensure that accusations of sexual assault, including those involving members of fraternities and sororities, are handled in a manner that protects the rights and well-being of victims of sexual violence. https://t.e2ma.net/webview/6w1oj/d8c...d90352bf0f7c57

Excerpted: We call on the leadership of both our campus based professionals and our fraternities and sororities to work collaboratively with other campus partners, including administrators, to protect the rights of all students and work to improve the fraternity/sorority experience and the safety of our campus communities

This sounds very good to me and a step in the right direction. I will be very interested in seeing what new/revised protocols come out of these discussions across the country.

[SOM]

U-Va. uproar about Rolling Stone story spawns debate over fairness to fraternities http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...9d7_story.html

[SOM]

Life After Rolling Stone: UVA Students See 'Jackie' As Opportunity To Reform Sexist Greek System http://www.ibtimes.com/life-after-ro...-greek-1749631

[SOM]

Fraternities have two choices: Keep the status quo, or usher in a new era of proactiveness in the face of sexual assault.

Fraternities in a Post-U-VA World

Whether Rolling Stone’s article is factual or not, fraternities have two choices: Keep the status quo, or usher in a new era of proactiveness in the face of sexual assault. http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...DB&via=FB_Page

[SOM]

Not only GLO's: It went on for FOUR decades.
Bob Jones University Told Sex Abuse Victims It Was Their Fault: Report http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...ushpmg00000052

[SOM]

CSU fraternity suspended after sexual assault allegation-CLEVELAND -- A Cleveland State University fraternity has been suspended until further notice after an allegation of a sexual assault against one of its members. http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local...tion/20376871/