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Old 07-12-2008, 11:59 PM
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Well, it'd be interesting to know if there is in fact a trend one way of the other for groups and GPAs. It's possible that you are correct and that most organization end up with approximately the same number of chapters with excellent GPAs as they do with low-ish GPAs.

And that might suggest that what might be true about k-12 schooling generally doesn't play out for the people who join NPHCs. Or if what the OP observes is true on other campuses, it might be further evidence of the issues that exist k-12 even with the most motivated members of NPHCs. Who knows?

But it is interesting, I think.

The girl and guy difference is true for non-greeks and even in high school so the possible explanations you've raised may not fulling explain it, but it's interesting to me to think about.
this doesnt really make sense. countless times isnt it mentioned in NPC rush threads that HS GPAs can be a reflection of how a PNM would do her first year, but then again it be totally misleading? and that HS GPAs are used more often than not in bid selection?

and pray tell, what are these "issues" you speak of?
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:44 AM
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Well, it'd be interesting to know if there is in fact a trend one way of the other for groups and GPAs. It's possible that you are correct and that most organization end up with approximately the same number of chapters with excellent GPAs as they do with low-ish GPAs.

And that might suggest that what might be true about k-12 schooling generally doesn't play out for the people who join NPHCs. Or if what the OP observes is true on other campuses, it might be further evidence of the issues that exist k-12 even with the most motivated members of NPHCs. Who knows?

But it is interesting, I think.

The girl and guy difference is true for non-greeks and even in high school so the possible explanations you've raised may not fully explain it, but it's interesting to me to think about.
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Oh, and that's "Que" as in the Spanish word translating to "what" and not the suggestion that members of Omega Psi Phi, or "Ques", is the embodiment of what you suggest. (I went to a good high school )
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Old 07-13-2008, 12:56 AM
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So...I was looking through the stats for my school's Greek Life GPA stuff for last year, and noticed that for the overall chapter GPAs, 6 out of the bottom 8 (out of over 20 chapters) were NPHC...and of the other two, one was Sigma Lambda Gamma. Almost all of these chapter GPAs were under 2.5 and one was under a 2.0 by quite a bit. This led me to question whether NPHC chapters also differ from NPC and IFC academically - do your chapters have requirements to maintain a certain GPA to be active? What is it? Is it national or is it a local thing? If you go under, what happens? I figured if anyone would know, you all would

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As someone who was initiated via undergrad during my sophomore year, your findings are related to that of your university and it only speaks to the chapters at your school. My undergrad chapter was always among those with the highest gpa's at my school and I'm sure this is the case at many schools. I will say that it can indeed be challenging to fulfill sorority/fraternity duties and keep your grades high when your chapter is small and therefore there are less hands available to do what is required. Also sometimes chapters can take on more than they are truly able to and instead of creating calendars with less activity, they try to do everything.

As for required gpa's, all of the NPHC orgs have national gpa's that all chapters must adhere to. In my org, it is possible for a chapter to have a local gpa that is higher than the national but never lower than the national. The idea of a chapter not achieving the national gpa is not taken lightly and consequences are enforced, although this doesn't necessarily mean that a chapter would be prohibited from engaging in all activities. For the gpa's of each org, visit the national websites.
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:15 AM
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yeah, well the white fraternities common sense is always absurdly lower than the rest of the pack.

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Old 07-13-2008, 01:24 AM
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yeah, well the white fraternities common sense is always absurdly lower than the rest of the pack.

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Sometimes it does seems like a year can't go by on any campus where one of the white fraternities doesn't prove this right.

Reading through the risk management forum kind of shows it.

But, of course, it's not true for all of them.
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:46 AM
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You know, the more I think about this thread, I have questions for the OP. Such as... WHY?

But, I've been on GC since '01 and have come to realize that it is the GC way to swerve out of your lane.
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:04 AM
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I'm all about continuing to talk about this but what "what" should I try to explain?
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You know, the more I think about this thread, I have questions for the OP. Such as... WHY?

But, I've been on GC since '01 and have come to realize that it is the GC way to swerve out of your lane.
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:10 AM
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But is a comparison in anyone's lane?

It's not just about NPHC policy really.
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:15 AM
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But is a comparison in anyone's lane?

It's not just about NPHC policy really.
Go back and read the first post...
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:23 AM
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Go back and read the first post...
I can see you are right and the OP does ask that.

Would we really be better off has she not wondered?

I think it helps the reputation of all groups for people to understand that even if the chapter on your campus isn't doing well scholastically, the national organization does value it.
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:21 AM
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But is a comparison in anyone's lane?

It's not just about NPHC policy really.
Nah but this is just a...strange topic.

And the OP is...strange...and operated from a strange premise. The title is...strange because I was about to tell the person to look up our GPA requirements for pursuing membership and move on. I figured it was obvious that all GLOs are held to some academic standard at every school that has academic standards for students and GLOs. Why would NPHC orgs not be held to a GPA standard?

(I'm not even concerned with the different explanations for why GPAs vary.)
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:30 AM
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Nah but this is just a...strange topic.

And the OP is...strange...and operated from a strange premise. The title is...strange because I was about to tell the person to look up our GPA requirements for pursuing membership and move on. I figured it was obvious that all GLOs are held to some academic standard at every school that has academic standards for students and GLOs. Why would NPHC orgs not be held to a GPA standard?

(I'm not even concerned with the different explanations for why GPAs vary.)
Well, let's say you were from a campus where the chapters of the NPC groups all had bad GPAs and one in particular was below a 2.0, so you felt pretty sure that no national org. was going to be cool with that. (When it's above a 2.0 it could just be difference in group cut standards.)

And yet, the groups all seems to be participating in all the activities that your group might shut down if the chapter's grades were too low. (To tell you the truth, I have no idea what happens if you don't meet the GPA requirements of you organization and your campus, but I'm assuming there would be social penalties, maybe?) So if the NPCs basically just seemed to be skating along, wouldn't you be a little curious about what was up with that?

And if you had an outlet to ask this question without saying it face to face, might you not give it a whirl?
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:50 AM
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:05 AM
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To assist the OP:

Since the OP has access to the stats of her/his school, she/he can also get access to the university criteria for active status for all GLOs.

Also, numerous colleges and universities provide grade info to the councils and also place them on websites.

U of Md is one such school: http://www.greek.umd.edu/Grades.htm

They have a PDF link with the chapter breakdowns. They discuss an emphasis on academics and codes of conduct on another link. Maybe they provide details on the site about how members and chapters can get on probation or suspension with the university.
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Old 07-13-2008, 11:40 AM
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This is a question that I've asked for 10 years now. I think a lot of it has to do with chapter size, as well as the slightly elevated age of NPHC chapter members. If a pledge class of 50 pulls a 3.5 in their lower division classes, that could offset the 3.0 average of a senior class. Since NPHC chapters are smaller, that doesn't average out to be the same. Also, the vast majority of NPHC members I know are engineers, pre-med, and pre-dental. Their GPAs aren't going to be as high as the NPC chapter with a ton of art history, interior design, or education majors.
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