Schools with most inactive NPC chapters

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

It's "tent talk" on an international level

Nicely put!

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by ZTAngel

I always knew that there were tiers among sororites at my school but I never knew there were national tiers until I started seeing these threads and some of the self-important comments within it. Seriously though? Some of you really care which sororities are the strongest nationally? It just seems like a way for grown adults to wield a big stick long after graduation which I personally find sad.

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Agreed. The implication/suggestion of international tiers with the stats and commentary is what makes people angry. It's "tent talk" on an international level, and it contributes to why certain NPCs are invited to present/colonize at certain campuses.

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Nicely put!

Yeah, I haven't been here a year yet and I can already identify several GCers (alums) who are guilty of contributing to this over and over and over. It's extremely unimpressive.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Agreed. The implication/suggestion of international tiers with the stats and commentary is what makes people angry. It's "tent talk" on an international level, and it contributes to why certain NPCs are invited to present/colonize at certain campuses.

I too would like to say thank you for putting a 'name' on his threads. This is how I've felt about them and I'm not even NPC.

[dukedg]

I can only speak for a campus I'm more familiar with, but at UC Berkeley almost ever chapter closed is a single letter chapter. I think not only were the 60's and 70's a trying time for Cal, but also the structures we have in place now for recruitment, quota, total, large houses etc. where not so rigid back in the early 1900's so it was probably easier for groups to start chapters.

If I'm remembering correctly, DG's Berkeley chapter only had 13 charter members in 1907, but if any group were to expand on campus now I doubt they would feel comfortable starting a colony with 13 members!

[Senusret I]

...and a discussion is what's happening. Even discussion of whether it is indeed interesting or has merit is still part of the discussion.

So........

[33girl]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

He's just posting some interesting information- just take it for what it's worth. I think everyone else is. I don't mind if his statistics wouldn't hold up under the microscope because his posts are only for the sake of discussion.

but

Originally Posted by 33girl

In all seriousness - we've been here before - I think a lot of people appreciate oldu's stats, but the commentary, not so much.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yes, she went to Pitt. To say that the expense/effort to recolonize at Pitt is the same as it would be at LSU or even Ohio State is laughable. And she's right - ONE quote from ONE person from ONE sorority certainly doesn't apply to all groups, or even to the majority of their own group. (Stop laughing Sandy, I know you are.)

Oh, you know me so well.

In all seriousness - we've been here before - I think a lot of people appreciate oldu's stats, but the commentary, not so much.

Right.

[oldu]

I checked to see why Southern Methodist was not included. My cut-off was institutions with 9 or more NPC groups and they have 8. However, it would easily fit the pattern I suggest. Nine inactive chapters, three of which were closed in the past 15-20 years, at a place where a multimillion dollar home is a must. Believe me, ask any of your top officers and they will assure you that they will not casually make a decision to enter one of these institutions. That is why many group make a decision NOT to present when an opening arises -- they have evaluated the situation and concluded that time and money would be better invested elsewhere. My sorority friend, who is a former council member, tells me that is why it is such a difficult decision when alumnae of the former chapter badly want it revived, and they are unable to commit to do it. I am aware of several very expensive sorority houses which were sold at a loss to another group because the chapter failed. No group, however wealthy they may be, can afford many of those mistakes.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by oldu

That is why many group make a decision NOT to present when an opening arises -- they have evaluated the situation and concluded that time and money would be better invested elsewhere.

I think we already knew that. Did anyone here not know that?

[Senusret I]

I think some international officers need to learn discretion.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I think some international officers need to learn discretion.

A-Freaking-MEN.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by OTW

A-Freaking-MEN.

I think that discretion should be The Wave Of The Future.

So where's the one for the fraternities? I would think that would be of more interest to a fraternity alumnus.

[FSUZeta]

well, statistics are relative and adding one variable or leaving one out of the equation can really skew the results.

several posters brought up taking into consideration when the chapter/colony was closed. another variable which would make a difference would be the agressiveness of the sorority's expansion program-how many colonies/chapters had been established in the set time period. some sororities seem to be more cautious than others when they are considering expansion.

[exlurker]

Just on the basis of a few schools on "the list" that I'm familiar with, it looks to me like current NPC orgs are the ones included. The list might look slightly different if it included the former NPC groups -- Alpha Delta Theta, Delta Sigma Epsilon, Pi Kappa Sigma, Theta Sigma Upsilon, Phi Omega Pi, Theta Upsilon, Beta Phi Alpha and Beta Sigma Omicron. In some cases those sororities had chapters that became inactive before a group merged with / was absorbed by another NPC org.

However, digging for that information might be a lot more trouble than it would be worth.

And of course a similar list for fraternities -- well, men's fraternities, for those of us who strive to be hypercorrect when we remember to be -- might be be difficult, and huge.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by exlurker

Just on the basis of a few schools on "the list" that I'm familiar with, it looks to me like current NPC orgs are the ones included. The list might look slightly different if it included the former NPC groups -- Alpha Delta Theta, Delta Sigma Epsilon, Pi Kappa Sigma, Theta Sigma Upsilon, Phi Omega Pi, Theta Upsilon, Beta Phi Alpha and Beta Sigma Omicron. In some cases those sororities had chapters that became inactive before a group merged with / was absorbed by another NPC org.

Yep! One example would be UCLA. When it became part of the UC system around 1920, sororities flooded the place. In 1930 there were 35 sororities on campus....all housed! These were NPC, now former NPC and locals. It slowly dwindled down to the current 11 over the course of 70 years.

University of Maryland, on the other hand, only had a few locals that quickly became chapters of NPCs starting in the mid-1920s. The number of chapters grew over the next 30-40 years peaking at 18. Now there are 14.

The point is that you can't make one definative statement about how expansion could work or does work for campuses so drastically different from eachother.