teacher assaulted by student, and caught on video

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

YOU...DON'T...KNOW

Get a grip. Did I ever say I knew? I said "more than likely."

Given the fact that the students in the classroom found an assault on a teacher to be okay means that they have no respect for others or their own education. So yes, I'm going to assume the parents are pieces of crap as well as their children.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Kevin, I went to Baltimore public schools...my parents were not on welfare.

I also taught in that SAME school system and the MAJORITY of kids I taught had parents who WORKED.

I have a neice who goes to public school also in Baltimore...A student...mom is not on welfare nor does she have multiple babies or whatever your 'ass - u' mption tends to be about this child and her situation...because geuess what...

YOU...DON'T...KNOW
-what that child's situation is
-what her parents do

Did you, or your friends, ever beat up a teacher? Because I kind of think you inadvertently supported his point.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Hardly would have been news?

Hmmm I guess you musta snoozed through the shooting in Ohio back in October of 07

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/10/cle...ing/index.html

May not have been as massive as Columbine but not newsworthy? Heh.

So what you're saying is that it made the news, but in nowhere near the same fashion . . . I'd never heard of this before this link, and it wasn't plastered everywhere. Again, I think you kind of inadvertently proved his point.

I'm just saying - this issue isn't as slanted as you're portraying it, I don't think.

[TrojanWoman]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I assume as much because my assumption is more likely accurate than not. If the kid's parents were hard working, good folks, the kid would have respect for the teacher and would probably not be going to that school.

I come from an upper middle class family. I know that my parents were hard working, good folks. Didn't stop my jerk of an older brother from not respecting his continuous school teacher and spitting in his face during a verbal fight. I also know that I made it through school on the honor roll and had a lot of respect for my teachers. Not sure my parents' style of parenting us had anything to do with our actions towards our teachers as much as personal choices did.

[EE-BO]

A very unfortunate situation.

I really think we need some kind of forced alternative where violent students can be placed- like some kind of boot camp- and not penalize schools for expelling students.

Federal grant money is based largely on head count, and as long as dropping a problem student could reduce the amount of a school's funding- problem students like this will be tolerated until a serious incident like this happens (and even then...)

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

A very unfortunate situation.

I really think we need some kind of forced alternative where violent students can be placed- like some kind of boot camp- and not penalize schools for expelling students.

Federal grant money is based largely on head count, and as long as dropping a problem student could reduce the amount of a school's funding- problem students like this will be tolerated until a serious incident like this happens (and even then...)

Sweetie, I think this high school was the last ditch alternative high school before a formal penal institution type of school--where there is a compound, gates surrounding the premises and armed guards.

A taser could have worked though... A zap on the side... It is not that lethal if used once.

[Kevin]

Take kids like that away from their parents and stick them in a military school. I think that's the only hope there is. If a kid acts like that, the parents have failed. Society needs to start to take remedial measures at some point. A few years of boarding school is a lot cheaper than a lifetime behind bars for the state.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Take kids like that away from their parents and stick them in a military school. I think that's the only hope there is. If a kid acts like that, the parents have failed. Society needs to start to take remedial measures at some point. A few years of boarding school is a lot cheaper than a lifetime behind bars for the state.

While I agree with you about "boarding school" that is able to use corporal punishment, it should also be known that most of those parents who has these kids are barely making 35 years old in menial labor jobs if they have one...

[DaemonSeid]

With all these things hitting youtube (and other video services) let me ask...

should people who film these fights be held accountable ?

should sites that host videos of said fights also be held accountable for thier proliferation?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

With all these things hitting youtube (and other video services) let me ask...

should people who film these fights be held accountable ?

On what theory?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

On what theory?

Kevin I am looking at it like this...

If this was caught discreetly to be used to HELP law enforcement catch a criminal act (a La Rodney King) that is one thing....but this clearly here is a case where these students did this to 1) boost thier own rep) and 2) humiliate the teacher....

In my eyes, the one filming as well as those who stood around and watched this teacher being beaten are no better than the one actually commiting the act itself....


Guilty by association.

How would you feel if someone beat you while others literally stood by did nothing and caught it on film for public exhibition on youtube?

Tell me you don't think that this should go unpunished?

[Kevin]

I'll bet that the Baltimore Sun didn't write an article full of excuses for the kid after that happened. What will be most telling will be the action of the parent here. So far, nothing but silence on that front.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/edu...,2400928.story

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'll bet that the Baltimore Sun didn't write an article full of excuses for the kid after that happened. What will be most telling will be the action of the parent here. So far, nothing but silence on that front.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/edu...,2400928.story

Silence as far as the media sees it...but I am willing to bet that the parents are far from....heh.


SO Kevin...for what it's worth....why do you assume that the child's parents are on welfare?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

SO Kevin...for what it's worth....why do you assume that the child's parents are on welfare?

The school has been declared to be (or should be) one where there is a high risk of violence. Those types of schools usually cater to a certain clientelle.

The chances run in my favor.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The school has been declared to be (or should be) one where there is a high risk of violence. Those types of schools usually cater to a certain clientelle.

The chances run in my favor.

What kind of clientele, Kevin?

Are you saying that based on the school she goes to automatically says that she is on welfare?

Maybe the fact that there have been 112 acts of violence on teachers has increased in Baltimore (and I believe that is regardless of school) doens't make it a bit of difference or perhaps the fact that school system has (in the 20+ years since I graduated) has become very lax in disciplining unruly kids doesn't make a difference either...so please...how do we ASSUME that this child is in a family on welfare?


I wonder....the 3rd graders that plotted to kill thier teacher a few weeks back....I guess they were really dirt poor....hmmm...maybe the girls on the youtube video from the thread accompanying this one....they must be on welfare and living either in the ghetto or a trailer park huh?

Based on all this bad behavior coming from these school kids...they must be some seriously poor kids......right counselor?

[Kevin]

Low-income, hence the welfare.

I did the research -- according to greatschools.com, the student body is 44% eligible for free or reduced lunch prices.

Here are the two reviews posted regarding the school:

As a fomer Alummni of this school I would not recommend this school for any student. Im a former 2 Year SGA veteran of this school and I could not get any support or help from admin.
Submitted by a student
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Posted December 18, 2007
no stars: administration has a long way to go. Law programs is very under developed. Is not a safe school. signed New parent of a 9th grader
Submitted by a parent
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They have a whopping 7% of their kids passing the state biology exam, 13% for algebra.