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04-11-2008, 12:54 AM
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Take kids like that away from their parents and stick them in a military school. I think that's the only hope there is. If a kid acts like that, the parents have failed. Society needs to start to take remedial measures at some point. A few years of boarding school is a lot cheaper than a lifetime behind bars for the state.
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While I agree with you about "boarding school" that is able to use corporal punishment, it should also be known that most of those parents who has these kids are barely making 35 years old in menial labor jobs if they have one...
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04-11-2008, 07:57 AM
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With all these things hitting youtube (and other video services) let me ask...
should people who film these fights be held accountable ?
should sites that host videos of said fights also be held accountable for thier proliferation?
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04-11-2008, 08:56 AM
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With all these things hitting youtube (and other video services) let me ask...
should people who film these fights be held accountable ?
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On what theory?
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04-11-2008, 09:11 AM
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On what theory?
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Kevin I am looking at it like this...
If this was caught discreetly to be used to HELP law enforcement catch a criminal act (a La Rodney King) that is one thing....but this clearly here is a case where these students did this to 1) boost thier own rep) and 2) humiliate the teacher....
In my eyes, the one filming as well as those who stood around and watched this teacher being beaten are no better than the one actually commiting the act itself....
Guilty by association.
How would you feel if someone beat you while others literally stood by did nothing and caught it on film for public exhibition on youtube?
Tell me you don't think that this should go unpunished?
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04-11-2008, 09:39 AM
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Unless you can show there's a special relationship between the parties, then the student has no duty to protect his teacher.
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04-11-2008, 09:48 AM
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Unless you can show there's a special relationship between the parties, then the student has no duty to protect his teacher.
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uuhhh...someone getting the snot beaten out of them and you are standing right there in a position to help means you have to have a special relationship with them as opposed to filming it for five mins of fame?
wow.
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04-11-2008, 09:51 AM
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What's she going to sue the student for? You think that kid's parents have money? You can't garnish welfare checks.
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I suggested that she sue the principal; I don't know if someone else suggested suing the kid.
Especially if they were lying about the data so that people didn't know how dangerous the school was, perhaps there's a case there.
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04-11-2008, 09:54 AM
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What's she going to sue the student for? You think that kid's parents have money? You can't garnish welfare checks.
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You assume much and so little.
Hmm...the Columbine killers' parents had money and look how they turned out.
So...what was the point of that lil' statement there...bud?
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04-11-2008, 10:01 AM
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You assume much and so little.
Hmm...the Columbine killers' parents had money and look how they turned out.
So...what was the point of that lil' statement there...bud?
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Columbine is one thing. That was remarkable because it was one of those rare "this can happen to you too" moments. Had Columbine happened at an inner-city school in Baltimore, it'd hardly be news.
An impoverished inner-city school which is near the breaking point is quite another. I assume as much because my assumption is more likely accurate than not. If the kid's parents were hard working, good folks, the kid would have respect for the teacher and would probably not be going to that school.
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04-11-2008, 10:04 AM
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I suggested that she sue the principal; I don't know if someone else suggested suing the kid.
Especially if they were lying about the data so that people didn't know how dangerous the school was, perhaps there's a case there.
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I'm thinking the school district -- they have money and they are responsible for creating an unsafe work environment.
My younger brother works in a school like this -- they have lots of security and the teachers are never alone with the students.
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04-11-2008, 10:05 AM
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uuhhh...someone getting the snot beaten out of them and you are standing right there in a position to help means you have to have a special relationship with them as opposed to filming it for five mins of fame?
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Yep. That's the law.
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04-11-2008, 10:11 AM
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Columbine is one thing. That was remarkable because it was one of those rare "this can happen to you too" moments. Had Columbine happened at an inner-city school in Baltimore, it'd hardly be news.
An impoverished inner-city school which is near the breaking point is quite another. I assume as much because my assumption is more likely accurate than not. If the kid's parents were hard working, good folks, the kid would have respect for the teacher and would probably not be going to that school.
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Kevin, I went to Baltimore public schools...my parents were not on welfare.
I also taught in that SAME school system and the MAJORITY of kids I taught had parents who WORKED.
I have a neice who goes to public school also in Baltimore...A student...mom is not on welfare nor does she have multiple babies or whatever your 'ass - u' mption tends to be about this child and her situation...because geuess what...
YOU...DON'T...KNOW
-what that child's situation is
-what her parents do
Hardly would have been news?
Hmmm I guess you musta snoozed through the shooting in Ohio back in October of 07
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/10/cle...ing/index.html
May not have been as massive as Columbine but not newsworthy? Heh.
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04-11-2008, 10:12 AM
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Yep. That's the law.
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Stop thinking like a lwayer for a minute and use some common sense...has it ever really occured to you to sometimes put yourself in someone else's place?
Ahhhh...I forget....some in your profession have no souls....
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04-11-2008, 10:20 AM
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YOU...DON'T...KNOW
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Get a grip. Did I ever say I knew? I said "more than likely."
Given the fact that the students in the classroom found an assault on a teacher to be okay means that they have no respect for others or their own education. So yes, I'm going to assume the parents are pieces of crap as well as their children.
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04-11-2008, 10:21 AM
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Ahhhh...I forget....some in your profession have no souls....
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YOU...DON'T...KNOW
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