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02-19-2008, 12:20 AM
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so...if you were to vote for him...why would you, Monet?
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To Barack the Vote!!!
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02-19-2008, 07:15 PM
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I'd love to see a woman president - to show that it's not only other countries, with much more immediate (if not more far-reaching) problems, that can do it. I'd love to see one. But NOT this one. This one does NOT stand for a single thing I believe in.
Nor does Mr. Obama.
Both are closer on some issues, but not the issues that I believe will be a priority over the next few years.
Voting for someone because of the genitalia s/he was born with, or the color of his/her skin, is asinine.
Of course, this years' primary caused me to vote for the person I thought would make the least bad Supreme Court nominations. That was all I had to believe in.
Sure would like to vote FOR someone again.
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02-19-2008, 10:39 PM
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I despise Hillary Clinton. I think she's a horrible human being. That is clouding my vision of her, though I do realize that she and Obama have similar positions.
I prefer all of Obama's positions to hers and I strongly prefer his plans for our foreign policy. However, I am not satisfied with any of the candidates' positions on gay marriage because gay marriage is marriage and should be treated as such.
I'm not a democrat or a republican, but I strongly support Obama. I wouldn't vote for him for his race and I wouldn't vote for Clinton for her gender. I realize that having a democrat in office will cause people in my income bracket to suffer, but I'd rather suffer to provide for less fortunate Americans.
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02-19-2008, 10:47 PM
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I'm voting for Stephen Colbert because I dislike McCain, Obama, and Clinton.
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02-19-2008, 10:48 PM
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I realize that having a democrat in office will cause people in my income bracket to suffer, but I'd rather suffer to provide for less fortunate Americans.
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I like capitalism too much to vote for a Democrat.
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02-19-2008, 10:57 PM
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I think she's a horrible human being.
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I realize people have issues with Hillary Clinton, but wow, this is a strong statement. How has she, as just a human being, been "horrible"?
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02-19-2008, 11:17 PM
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I realize people have issues with Hillary Clinton, but wow, this is a strong statement. How has she, as just a human being, been "horrible"?
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1) At the top of my list is the way she has talked about her marriage. She put up with Bill Clinton's nonsense (not just what we heard about) because they have an arrangement. She would support him politically notwithstanding his disrespectful actions because he agreed to support her when it was her turn to grow politically.
2) Her campaign tactics are despicable.
3) She’s a bad role model for women, using her gender for her own political purposes.
4) She’s insincere and has a nasty personality.
5) She’s absolutely power-hungry and doesn’t care about the people (back to the insincerity).
I can't support people I don't respect.
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02-20-2008, 12:08 AM
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I despise Hillary Clinton. I think she's a horrible human being. That is clouding my vision of her, though I do realize that she and Obama have similar positions.
I prefer all of Obama's positions to hers and I strongly prefer his plans for our foreign policy. However, I am not satisfied with any of the candidates' positions on gay marriage because gay marriage is marriage and should be treated as such.
I'm not a democrat or a republican, but I strongly support Obama. I wouldn't vote for him for his race and I wouldn't vote for Clinton for her gender. I realize that having a democrat in office will cause people in my income bracket to suffer, but I'd rather suffer to provide for less fortunate Americans.
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I pretty much agree with everything in here, especially the bolded.
Also, none of them have come out strongly in favor of DC Statehood. That and marriage equality are my primary issues.
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02-20-2008, 01:24 AM
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I like capitalism too much to vote for a Democrat. 
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LOL. Capitalism won't go away. That "universal health care/education" jargon is just jargon.
Or did you mean that you like exploitation and inequality under capitalism too much to vote for a Democrat?
I do not advocate moving too far away from capitalism toward socialism because purely socialist societies haven't worked out that well. I do, however, advocate measures to address the exploitation and inquality under capitalism. We can still have a haves/have nots without this wealthy nation having soooo many people who are struggling to make ends meet.
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I don't know who I'm voting for yet. Might be a Dem, though. I see nothing wrong with race or gender being the icing on the cake for your vote. As long as you have a cake to put icing on--be able to explain your decision (to yourself) with more than "change and race or gender" rhetoric. Afterall, we are only discrediting race and gender-based decisions now that there aren't only white males to choose from. But that won't stop many whites/white males from voting for a white or white male candidate because it's a safe bet this time around, either.
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02-20-2008, 02:55 AM
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LOL. Capitalism won't go away. That "universal health care/education" jargon is just jargon.
Or did you mean that you like exploitation and inequality under capitalism too much to vote for a Democrat?
I do not advocate moving too far away from capitalism toward socialism because purely socialist societies haven't worked out that well. I do, however, advocate measures to address the exploitation and inquality under capitalism. We can still have a haves/have nots without this wealthy nation having soooo many people who are struggling to make ends meet.
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Unless social mobility is impossible (which it is not) then I see no reason for the government to interfere with people's personal finances. I just can't stand the Democrats continually targeting the "wealthiest 1%" with all of their pointless tax proposals. They make the wealthiest 1% out to be evil or something just because they have been successful in life, my generation would call them "playa haters."
I am in favor of the fair tax and cutting government spending for just about everything. Just putting a simplified tax structure in place would save the government from the cost of running the IRS. The fair tax is the best solution to poverty since hard work.
To each their own though.
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02-20-2008, 02:56 AM
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I pretty much agree with everything in here, especially the bolded.
Also, none of them have come out strongly in favor of DC Statehood. That and marriage equality are my primary issues.
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Wouldn't that need to be an amendment to the constitution?
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02-20-2008, 03:19 AM
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I'm standing behind Clinton because I feel like she is more capable of the current Dem. candidates. Yes, fancy words can inspire, but words are just words when there is no action behind them. And a promise is a comfort to a fool. Even though she is not the most popular person, I still feel like she is more about business. I find her having a very difficult time expressing that effectively due to trying to stay in the game at all. I will admit am also a very big feminist and I am so excited to have a woman!  I also don't just her relationship with her husband because I'm not it it and it's not my business.
I wouldn't vote for Barack Obama and I am missing Edwards' angle in the debates. (And if he pops up as so-and-so's VP cand. I will not be very happy).
As far as the black angle for me...no one's really addressing it, so if someone only votes based on color they are just being a not very smart voter. No one's seems to be really addressing the black voters outside of church speeches, salons, or fried chicken parlors  I don't feel like it's going to be dealt with much at all unfortunately...
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02-20-2008, 08:26 AM
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Wouldn't that need to be an amendment to the constitution?
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Ultimately, yes.
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02-20-2008, 10:25 AM
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Ultimately, yes.
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because of the city's special designation as a Federal District?
otherwise it would just be voted in like all the others were, right?
anyway, I'm a single issue voter now. I don't think there will be another candidate I agree with on more than 50% of the issues. I would vote for Obama over McCain, but would vote for Ron Paul over Obama.
So actually that's voting in favor of people by default. The last person i voted for was Gen. Wesley Clark.
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02-20-2008, 12:00 PM
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because of the city's special designation as a Federal District?
otherwise it would just be voted in like all the others were, right?
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Sorta.... it would also require the repeal of the 23rd amendment (which gives DC electors).
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