When did I become an "Evangelical" voter? - Page 2

srmom · #1 02-14-2008, 06:42 PM

You're absolutely right. It was started with the Bush - Rove bunch. But, now how do you separate the use of the term "evangelical" with the term conservative?

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It really bothers me to see media references to the "Evangelical vote" as though all Christians are some voting block of proselytizing fanatics out to force some fundamental viewpoint on America.

That's my problem too. I see myself as a conservative and as a Christian, but I don't want to be pigeon holed with the types that I think are taking the Republican party in a direction I just can't go. I can't get "fired up" about constitutional amendments about marriage and the other things "the base" is for.

See, that makes me mad that those people are considered the base!!! What party is left for people like me? Those who are socially moderate, but fiscally conservative?

shinerbock · #2 02-14-2008, 06:57 PM

I think Bush and Rove do play into it. I think the association of "evangelicals" with the current administration has given the left and the media the opportunity to paint evangelicals in a negative light. Some of it may be by our own doing, but I think it is absurd for the MSM use that association to discredit a massive amount of citizens.

Of course, I think that about the media in any situation. Most Americans are intelligent enough to know that what Code Pink did in Berkeley or what Imus said is not to be commended. However, I find it disturbing even when moral judgments are dispensed by mainstream media, even in such obvious cases.

AKA_Monet · #3 02-14-2008, 07:14 PM

I'm an "Obamacan"...

No seriously... EE-BO I just love how you use the word "hell"... That's the point behind a lot of this. I think that campaign directors are marketting spin doctor specialists that can convince the masses as to how to separate folks, easily and classify them. It is an old tactic they are using. "They" want you to feel guilty about YOUR choices in life and choose what "they" tell you choose.

You are subliminally told not have your own mind and to arrive to your own conclusions. And all "they" have to do is add the seed of doubt... Powerful isn't it?

What "they" didn't count on is the tide of change... And a whole new group of people will step in to replace the old with different ideas.

shinerbock · #4 02-14-2008, 07:20 PM

The question is whether those "different ideas" have any merit.

DaemonSeid · #5 02-15-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I'm an "Obamacan"...

No seriously... EE-BO I just love how you use the word "hell"... That's the point behind a lot of this. I think that campaign directors are marketting spin doctor specialists that can convince the masses as to how to separate folks, easily and classify them. It is an old tactic they are using. "They" want you to feel guilty about YOUR choices in life and choose what "they" tell you choose.

You are subliminally told not have your own mind and to arrive to your own conclusions. And all "they" have to do is add the seed of doubt... Powerful isn't it?

What "they" didn't count on is the tide of change... And a whole new group of people will step in to replace the old with different ideas.

You know, this is what I am seeing...somewhere out there a whole heaping of people are left with little or no real choice of a candidate that they like to vote for, thus they are pissed that no 'real' leader has emerged for them to rally behind.

All the candidates that are out here are just unsatisfactory in addressing their needs and wants in government and even when it comes right down to it, this whole race sucks...somehow I can't help but feel that this is familiar territory...heh!

PhiGam · #6 02-16-2008, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I'm an "Obamacan"...

No seriously... EE-BO I just love how you use the word "hell"... That's the point behind a lot of this. I think that campaign directors are marketting spin doctor specialists that can convince the masses as to how to separate folks, easily and classify them. It is an old tactic they are using. "They" want you to feel guilty about YOUR choices in life and choose what "they" tell you choose.

You are subliminally told not have your own mind and to arrive to your own conclusions. And all "they" have to do is add the seed of doubt... Powerful isn't it?

What "they" didn't count on is the tide of change... And a whole new group of people will step in to replace the old with different ideas.

Karl Marx? Is that you? Viva la revolucion!

DSTCHAOS · #7 02-16-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

Karl Marx? Is that you? Viva la revolucion!

That must be the only conflict theorist/analyst that you know.

scbelle · #8 02-15-2008, 03:02 AM

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What party is left for people like me? Those who are socially moderate, but fiscally conservative?

srmom, you can join my party. It's called the Common Sense Party. The platform in very basic terms is, live and let live, and don't spend $$ that you don't have on programs that are unnecessary.

PhiGam · #9 02-15-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by scbelle

srmom, you can join my party. It's called the Common Sense Party. The platform in very basic terms is, live and let live, and don't spend $$ that you don't have on programs that are unnecessary.

Like welfare and the IRS.
I think she described moderate libertarianism.

srmom · #10 02-15-2008, 02:57 PM

And, if the Libertarian Party had a cut dog's chance in hell of winning, I might vote that way. But, it would just be a wasted vote.

I really wish we had a multi-party system so that I could find a candidate who most closely fits my ideal. As it is now, it may be the "hold your nose and vote" candidate.

nittanyalum · #11 02-15-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by srmom

had a cut dog's chance in hell of winning.

LOL! srmom's funny.

PhiGam · #12 02-16-2008, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by srmom

And, if the Libertarian Party had a cut dog's chance in hell of winning, I might vote that way. But, it would just be a wasted vote.

I really wish we had a multi-party system so that I could find a candidate who most closely fits my ideal. As it is now, it may be the "hold your nose and vote" candidate.

Speaking from a purely mathematical standpoint your vote does not matter (especially if you don't live in MI, FL, or OH.) I know that it sucks to think about it that way but there is zero chance that the presidential election will be decided by your vote.
In fact, you may be better off making a statement vote for a small candidate or a write in than to vote for a candidate that you don't like.