Ike Turner dead at 76

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Then stay out of his R.I.P thread and work on making sure you're absolutely perfect by the time your obituary comes around.

I won't say that I'm perfect, but my Obit will contain line regarding my fundraising efforts for the Victims of Domestic Violence.

[Marie]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Someone else like who?

Right! I'm not a fan of innuendo.

As others have said, as a musician Ike very talented and made great contributions...as a human being, I hope that he has made his peace with himself and God and rests in peace.

[DaemonSeid]

Makes me wonder if anyone had anything BAD to say about Mother Theresa or the Pope when they died...


All of us are born into sin...and none of us will ever be perfect...deal with it.

trying to think...how does that saying go....?

He who is without sin.........uuuuuuhhhhh........

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Makes me wonder if anyone had anything BAD to say about Mother Theresa or the Pope when they died...


All of us are born into sin...and none of us will ever be perfect...deal with it.

trying to think...how does that saying go....?

He who is without sin.........uuuuuuhhhhh........

You're correct, none of us are perfect but Ike Turner was a terrible person. Theres a difference between having a few problems and brutally beating your wife, cheating on her openly, and going to jail twice a year. If I ever become as terrible of a person as Ike then I pray that people will say bad things about me when I pass. Then again, I have a sense of accountability.

[southernfrat]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

You're correct, none of us are perfect but Ike Turner was a terrible person. Theres a difference between having a few problems and brutally beating your wife, cheating on her openly, and going to jail twice a year. If I ever become as terrible of a person as Ike then I pray that people will say bad things about me when I pass. Then again, I have a sense of accountability.

PhiGam i like where your head is. Ike Turner was not a good person and neither is Bobby Brown or any other wife beater. But then again I'm sure the hippie, left-wing people that seem to infest this forum will have some sort of excuse for the reason why Bobby beat Whitney when he dies. Some people can take accountability for their actions but it takes someone with character to do that.

[Still BLUTANG]

it's a shame people won't let someone overcome his past.

R.I.P.

[Senusret I]

And who the fuck said he was God?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

And who the fuck said he was God?

Right. I don't think any Ike Turner reports presented him as a great philanthropist entertainer with no criminal and abusive history. Acknowledgement accomplished, moving on.

There are unfamous women and men with abusive and troubled pasts who are allowed to somehow redeem themselves everyday.

[Munchkin03]

There are lots of "terrible human beings" out there who have made contributions to their respective fields. James Watson is one. Ike Turner happens to be another one.

Seriously, I don't think anyone is overlooking his abusive past...especially considering it's usually in the first paragraph of most of the obits I've read of him since yesterday.

[nittanyalum]

What is WITH you two??

[PhiGam]

I'm not going to say that the people who are criticizing others for saying bad things about Ike are necessarily left wing hippies. I just personally think that the world is a better place without Ike Turner, he was a burden on society.

[DSTCHAOS]

Well your post adds to the subjective nature of this entire thread discussion. But since we're still typing:

I don't consider drug abusers to only be victimizing themselves. An illustration of who drug abusers hurt can be seen in shows such as "Intervention."

I consider Rick James to have been more talented than Elvis Presley's thieving ass. Young Elvis was okay but still one of the artists back then who got credit when it wasn't due. But James and Presley were both junkies (perhaps among other things).

And I consider Ike Turner to have been extremely talented during his prime. The story of Ike and Tina wasn't one of a completely talentless man looking for a meal ticket but rather a talent scout, producer, and song writer who found someone to be the lead. http://www.history-of-rock.com/ike_and_tina_turner.htm

Now...I've successfully turned into an Ike fanatic for the purpose of this thread. And it sucks a little.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Well your post adds to the subjective nature of this entire thread discussion. But since we're still typing:

I don't consider drug abusers to only be victimizing themselves. An illustration of who drug abusers hurt can be seen in shows such as "Intervention."

I consider Rick James to have been more talented than Elvis Presley's thieving ass. Young Elvis was okay but still one of the artists back then who got credit when it wasn't due. But James and Presley were both junkies (perhaps among other things).

And I consider Ike Turner to have been extremely talented during his prime. The story of Ike and Tina wasn't one of a completely talentless man looking for a meal ticket but rather a talent scout, producer, and song writer who found someone to be the lead. http://www.history-of-rock.com/ike_and_tina_turner.htm

Now...I've successfully turned into an Ike fanatic for the purpose of this thread. And it sucks a little.

You've begun twisting the facts to win an argument, an argument that doesn't need to exist. It seems as though you are disagreeing with me just for the sake of disagreeing.
Also, the talent thing is obviously a matter of opinion.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

You've begun twisting the facts to win an argument, an argument that doesn't need to exist. It seems as though you are disagreeing with me just for the sake of disagreeing.

That is pure comedy, coming from you.

Also, the talent thing is obviously a matter of opinion.

You are obviously young and still in school. Ike Turner pre-dates you. Just because the movie came out in your lifetime doesn't mean you know his life story nor can you judge his talent or impact in the time in which he first made his mark.

Here's the headline and opening paragraph from Newsweek's article on his passing:

RIP, Ike Turner
His troubled personal life overshadowed what was really a brilliant career in music.

The first word that pops into your head when you hear the name Ike Turner is, undoubtedly, Tina. Fair enough. The second, perhaps, is wife-beater. OK, also fair. But chances are the third word is probably not genius. Simply put, the man's despicable and self-destructive offstage behavior toppled his reputation as a towering figure of 20th-century music. As a multi-instrumentalist, bandleader, promoter, songwriter and talent scout he had few peers during his five-decade career. But his appetites for drugs and women, and certainly his reputation as a physically abusive husband, reduced him to a caricature by the mid-'90s: rock-and-roll villain. His death came on the heels of his first Grammy since 1972—and in the first blush of something that was beginning to look a little like redemption. --Rest of article here.

Quotes from a BBC article, read the whole thing here:

Turner, a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, is credited by many music historians with making the first rock 'n' roll record, Rocket 88, in 1951.
Broadcaster Paul Gambaccini told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "In musical terms [he was] very important.
"Rocket 88 is one of the two records that can claim to be the first rock 'n' roll record, being the other being The Fat Man by Fats Domino from 1949," he said.
He said the track was an "indisputable claim to fame" for Turner. "To critics he will be known as a great founder, unfortunately to the general public he will always be known as a brutal man," he added.
Turner was also known as a prolific session guitarist and piano player.

You can even find articles with praise for his talent that ran in The Washington Times and Fox News, which I'm guessing are right up your alley...

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

That is pure comedy, coming from you.


You are obviously young and still in school. Ike Turner pre-dates you. Just because the movie came out in your lifetime doesn't mean you know his life story nor can you judge his talent or impact in the time in which he first made his mark.

Here's the headline and opening paragraph from Newsweek's article on his passing:


Quotes from a BBC article, read the whole thing here:


You can even find articles with praise for his talent that ran in The Washington Times and Fox News, which I'm guessing are right up your alley...

Ike Turner made the first rock record? I guess you've never heard of Bill Haley. Not to mention that Ray Charles invented the genre with which Ike Turner made most of his hits, (Male vocalist with a trio of female backup singers).
BTW, I hate Fox News and the Washington Times, sorry to destroy your stereotypical view of southerners that are in good fraternities.