Service Greek Orgnizations

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by RedRover

I heard this story third or fourth hand, so I don't how much of the story is true but I will tell it any way.

A woman joined APO in her freshman year. Due to financial reasons, she was forced to transfer to a college closer to home (in fact, my alma mater). The APO chapter at her second college didn't admit women. She contacted the regional director to see if she could affiliate with another APO chapter at any of the nearby colleges. She was told she couldn't. She was told that she was still a member of APO in good standing, but she wasn't a member any college chapter. Needless to say, she now has negative feelings towards APO.

She was considered an Alumna at that point and could have joined or started an alumni association. At the time, the chapter at the school to which she transferred was within their rights.

She could have sued the school and probably won, but she didn't, so oh well for her.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

It will not be enough (nor will it be acceptable) to just send in paperwork for women but not actually recruit, pledge, or initiate them.

Certainly it will be a struggle to change the culture on these campuses, but it can be done. If there is not at least an attempt, there will be consequences.

BOM BAHM BOM BAAAHHHHHMMMMMM!!!

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by emb021

Be quite happy to.

When APO went co-ed in 1976, we left this up to each chapter to decide if they wanted to go co-ed. New chapter, however, had to be co-ed.

THAT WAS NOT [IMMEDIATELY] TRUE; it wasn't until 1986 that new chapters had to be co-ed. That is one APO urban legend that needs to be put to bed, along with the whole "Gentlemen's Agreement", but I digress.

A lot of people were not happy about this. This was a big issue at our 2006 National Convention, the results were that YES, all the all-male chapters must go co-ed by our 2008 National Convention.

As much as I despise this ruling, in all fairness the all-male constituency had more than an ample opportunity to kill this where it stood. All they needed were six delegates from 3 active chapters and this issue would've been squashed flat! And mind you, the all male constituency getting the needed votes in their favor that they did get was not easy at all.

I have always thought the all-male constituency needed to form their own brotherhood anyway. Not to say that this will happen, but this debate has been raging on for at least 15 years and needs to be put to rest one way or another. Forcing the chapters to go co-ed really isn't effective in doing this. Oh well. I wish them all the best.

[RedRover]

A friend who was a member of APO on campus told me why his chapter refused to admit women. He said that all members, regardless of gender, are brothers. If a male and a female member began dating and move on to a sexual relationship, it would be incest since it was a case of two brothers have sex.

Go figure... I kid you not

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by RedRover

A friend who was a member of APO on campus told me why his chapter refused to admit women. He said that all members, regardless of gender, are brothers. If a male and a female member began dating and move on to a sexual relationship, it would be incest since it was a case of two brothers have sex.

Go figure... I kid you not

Ok.....

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Ok.....

You are sure showing temperance.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

You are sure showing temperance.

I don't know WHERE it's coming from!!!! I guess in my new job (HIV/AIDS work), it sorta puts things in perspective.


However, the snark lies just beneath and yearns to be unleashed LOL

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by RedRover

A friend who was a member of APO on campus told me why his chapter refused to admit women. He said that all members, regardless of gender, are brothers. If a male and a female member began dating and move on to a sexual relationship, it would be incest since it was a case of two brothers have sex.

Go figure... I kid you not

Wow. Intelligent, that.

[emb021]

Originally Posted by RedRover

A friend who was a member of APO on campus told me why his chapter refused to admit women. He said that all members, regardless of gender, are brothers. If a male and a female member began dating and move on to a sexual relationship, it would be incest since it was a case of two brothers have sex.

Go figure... I kid you not

Uh huh.

And I wonder what their take is on the several Brothers who have married Brothers. I know of 2 couples where both husband and wife have received National DSKs.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by emb021

Uh huh.

And I wonder what their take is on the several Brothers who have married Brothers. I know of 2 couples where both husband and wife have received National DSKs.

They probably won't allow them to have children.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

They probably won't allow them to have children.

LOL.... I literally laughed out loud.

So here's a story.... a past national president pledged through my chapter in 66. His wife was made an honorary brother sometime in the 80s or 90s, i believe. His older daughter did not pledge, but....

The younger daughter went to college and basically pledged APO behind her dad's back! (I think I told this story before) So instead of her crossing and her dad surprising HER, the chapter convinced him to come to the initiation festivities, totally unaware she would be there.

He was tickled pink. Like EVERYBODY knew, but nobody told. Greatest secret ever.

To top it all off, he was presiding over a portion of the national convention this past december and had the pleasure of recognizing his own daughter, who was a voting delegate for her chapter. It was the first time a national president recognized their own child on the convention floor.

The Schroeders..... a nice little incestuous APO family that reproduced.

[NAUmeg06]

Originally Posted by RedRover

A friend who was a member of APO on campus told me why his chapter refused to admit women. He said that all members, regardless of gender, are brothers. If a male and a female member began dating and move on to a sexual relationship, it would be incest since it was a case of two brothers have sex.

Go figure... I kid you not

The last half makes me giggle.

However, I'll say that as a member of OPA, the sorority founded by OPA, and who had a male interested in pledging our organization because our unviersity's APO chapter went defunt, we were open (and could not discriminate) to his being male in our sorority.

We would similarly, though, have to refer to him as a sister.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by NAUmeg06

The last half makes me giggle.

However, I'll say that as a member of OPA, the sorority founded by OPA, and who had a male interested in pledging our organization because our unviersity's APO chapter went defunt, we were open (and could not discriminate) to his being male in our sorority.

We would similarly, though, have to refer to him as a sister.

Some OPhiA chapters have had "mister sisters"

[ESAjonquil]

Sorry it took me so long to get back on here, but school just started and I have a wacky double major.

A little background of ESA, though we were not origianlly founded as a collegiate sorority, ESA began colonizing collegiate chapters around 30-35 years ago. Out main issue is that on our campus there is an overstauration of greek life. In addition to our group we also have an APO chapter on campus. Both organizations are co-ed and have in the past been very competitive. We are trying to bridge the gap while still maintaining our individual identities. We focus not only our service to the community but we also educate about our philanthropy which is St. Jude CHildrens Research Hospital.

Since I've posted we had a very sucessful booth at our school's organizational fair and have had interest meetings for the last two days. In total we are expecting near 20 in our class, which will set an all time high for our chapter.

One of my main concerns is that few of our members have a lot of ESA gear because very few things are made with our letters and our school's greek shop (for a school of 5,000 students we have our own) does not stock anything for us. We are working towards getting mroe, but only time will tell what will become available.

[DSTRen13]

Lots of online companies will do custom orders - and for a lot of items, you can make your own things. Do a search on 'nalia for locals and you should be able to find many threads with suggestions on this topic