A SPY AMONG US!! BROTHERS BEWARE....

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by _Lisa_

Your original post was the most racist thing I've read on GC in the longest time. Its really a shame.

Then you must not have been reading GC lately.

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Then you must not have been reading GC lately.

Those that are known to make racist, ignorant, inappropriate comments are on ignore. GC is a lot tamer that way, I'll admit.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

My definition isn't THE academic definition, since there is more than one academic definition.

I think it's silly that people throw the "racist/racism" word around just because they are offended by something that has some racial references.

True and I never said it was, but you act as if most people should adhere to your definition or they don't understand racism. There are multiple academic definitions but in general, in academia, racism is though of along power structures and only the majority can be considered "racist"

In society, it isn't seen the same way and racism is something that also happens at the individual level no matter the race of the racist.

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I think it's silly that people throw the "racist/racism" word around just because they are offended by something that has some racial references.

I would hate the same, but this example you've given is not the case in reference to my comment.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

you act as if most people should adhere to your definition or they don't understand racism.

Exactly and they don't understand racism 95% of the time.

The proof is in the fact that someone is wasting a very powerful construct on a GC post.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by _Lisa_

I would hate the same, but this example you've given is not the case in reference to my comment.

It is from where I'm sitting.

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

It is from where I'm sitting.

Thats fine, I can't control how you feel about posts that aren't your own.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by _Lisa_

Thats fine, I can't control how you feel about posts that aren't your own.

Good observation.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Exactly and they don't understand racism 95% of the time.

The proof is in the fact that someone is wasting a very powerful construct on a GC post.

I'm not saying I agree with calling this post racist. More that he was stupid to complain about nepotism and then expect it, even if the nepotism he wanted wasn't because of his brotherhood, but because of his skin color.

However, using the common/dictionary definition of racism in non-academic discussion is not indicative of one's understanding of racism. It's simply using the word with its actual meaning, not a constructed one. There are plenty of similar words and concepts that this can happen to, it's just annoying that people are expected to be "beyond" the actual definition of a word in discussions.

I would, however, laugh if the white man hired was also an Alpha. It would just be a nice little twist, IMO.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It's simply using the word with its actual meaning

No such thing as "actual meaning." It's all constructed.

Just a difference in who constructed which definitions and whose interests are served.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by BROTHERSKEEPER

Greetings Brothers,

I recently interviewed for a position within the company I have worked for over ten years now. The position was in another department headed by an executive who also happened to be an ALPHA. We touched basis on both of us being Alphas. I also followed the necessary steps outlined by this executive four months earlier leading up to this interview. To make a long story short, I was shocked to find out I was not selected for the position after the interview. I was qualified for the position and had an outstanding interview based on the feedback following the interview. In addition, I was not the only Alpha to interview for the position. The part that really hurt, the BROTHER hired a white male. This has caused me to question my allegiance to Alpha Phi Alpha. I thought the purpose was to reach back and help one another. If not another Alpha Man, another black male if better qualified for the job.

What up with the spy among us?? Has anyone experienced this same type of situation. I need help to get through this situation. I want to return in my pin and letters.

How long have you been a gentleman of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc.? Because you sound like you just joined if you think that any corporation owes you anything in this world in this day even if you feel there is seniority on your part.

Did your "brother" promise you ANYTHING in writing? Are you ready to say he leveraged his position of power and influence to think you are a "shoo-in" for this promotion? If you have something in writing, then not only do you visit EEOC, you visit the Ombudsman for HR. But, know you will have retribution for it. Since you you are conflagrating "nepotism" in this particular corporate structure.

If I were you, I would work on my resume, start going to strategic alliance networking meetings and meet people who can emphasize your qualities you work on.

I know for a fact that the men of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. are about improving their community as "scholarship and manly deeds" to men, young and old. They are not about just job placement service. However, there is mentorship they can provide. Your duty is to your local, regional, state and International chapters.

If you joined Alpha because you thought you were gaining access to something without legwork, then I have questions.

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by BROTHERSKEEPER

Greetings Brothers,

I recently interviewed for a position within the company I have worked for over ten years now. The position was in another department headed by an executive who also happened to be an ALPHA. We touched basis on both of us being Alphas. I also followed the necessary steps outlined by this executive four months earlier leading up to this interview. To make a long story short, I was shocked to find out I was not selected for the position after the interview. I was qualified for the position and had an outstanding interview based on the feedback following the interview. In addition, I was not the only Alpha to interview for the position. The part that really hurt, the BROTHER hired a white male. This has caused me to question my allegiance to Alpha Phi Alpha. I thought the purpose was to reach back and help one another. If not another Alpha Man, another black male if better qualified for the job.

What up with the spy among us?? Has anyone experienced this same type of situation. I need help to get through this situation. I want to return in my pin and letters.

Brother-
The fact that you question your allegiance to our dear fraternity based on one action of a bro that, yes may have pissed you off, but has nothing to do with the fraternity itself is a bit much. Give of your pin and letters????? This is the first time I ever heard a brother say this, but I guess there is a first time for everything. As I was taught, it isn't what your frat can do for you, but what you can and should be doing for the frat. As someone previously stated, maybe there was some reason the interviewer felt you were not qualified and if you feel that you were then approach that brother and find out what you need to do to make sure you get it the next time. Maybe you were qualified, but something else prevented you from getting your desired postion. At any rate I hope you get what you feel you deserve.

[ladygreek]

As a hiring manger for a position I purposely did not hire a soror for the job, because knowing her I knew she would not be happy on the position. She went on to find a position much better suited for her.

[The Original Ape]

Originally Posted by BROTHERSKEEPER

Greetings Brothers,

I recently interviewed for a position within the company I have worked for over ten years now. The position was in another department headed by an executive who also happened to be an ALPHA. We touched basis on both of us being Alphas. I also followed the necessary steps outlined by this executive four months earlier leading up to this interview. To make a long story short, I was shocked to find out I was not selected for the position after the interview. I was qualified for the position and had an outstanding interview based on the feedback following the interview. In addition, I was not the only Alpha to interview for the position. The part that really hurt, the BROTHER hired a white male. This has caused me to question my allegiance to Alpha Phi Alpha. I thought the purpose was to reach back and help one another. If not another Alpha Man, another black male if better qualified for the job.

What up with the spy among us?? Has anyone experienced this same type of situation. I need help to get through this situation. I want to return in my pin and letters.

What's up Brutha.

I was in that similar seat years ago; and like you, didn't get the position. I found out later that the executive brother owed a favor to the top guy, and paid his debt with the job I had hoped for. The brother told me this immediately after hiring the other guy. It was a bitter pill for me to take. I know how pissed you are. I hope you don't blame the entire fraternity for this dude's failure to keep his obligation.

[Phrozen1ne]

Now, if the Brother hasn't hired ANY AA in department ever because he doesn't want to be known for hiring members of the frat or AA in general no matter how qualified or how good their character may be....... that is messed up!