Anti-rape condom?

[James]

It sounds more like a ploy to really sensitize women to the idea that all men are rapists.

Or potential rapists. Makes me wonder about the authors radical feminist political viewpoints.

[NinjaPoodle]

Originally Posted by James

It sounds more like a ploy to really sensitize women to the idea that all men are rapists.

Or potential rapists. Makes me wonder about the authors radical feminist political viewpoints.

Good point

[JonInKC]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I think this is secretly a Lorraine Bobbit invention.

No, because from what I understand it doesn't cause amputation. It looks like the little razor things just clamp down. I'm waiting for some chick to get drunk, forget she has it in, and then have to explain to the triage at ER why she has that contraption clamped down on her finger.

[AlethiaSi]

Originally Posted by James

It sounds more like a ploy to really sensitize women to the idea that all men are rapists.

Or potential rapists. Makes me wonder about the authors radical feminist political viewpoints.

Oh. so this is where you were getting your rant from last night....
i understand what you are saying, however, there are a number of men out there who do violate women, and abuse them (verbally, sexually, physically) and women have a responsibility to protect themselves. chivalry is just about dead and everything that goes along with it, and women need to be aware of their surroundings and be smart about the situations they put themselves into.

I am a feminist, but I also think that we teach people how to treat us (to quote dr. phil ) and in so many situations men and women allow themselves to get stepped on (myself definately included.... ) and its a process to learn how to keep this from happening....


HOWEVER

there are a great many victims, regardless of what they have done or not done and this is still an awful fact.

so... in conclusion, i think the availability of such a device could potentially help some but could also could be used in such a way that is detrimental to others (that don't deserve it).

[Drolefille]

The problem is, by the time this is brought into action, you've already been raped. There's penetration. And, if this becomes commonly used, guys will simply rape a girl with a stick to remove the condom and then rape her themselves.

If this induced pain in the rapist while you were still standing and in a position to run... Great. But it doesn't. By this point you've been knocked down, probably injured, and you're not going to be able to jump up and GTFO to safety as quickly. So then, your condom has injured the rapist and is causing him pain, but that's not necessarily going to stop him... Now you have an angry rapist who feels the need to get back in power over you. I really really don't want a woman to ever be in that situation. It is dangerous.

And, I don't think this is training women to be anti-male any more than carrying mace is. (Note, mace is something that you use while still standing and able to run, and is probably more immediately incapacitating.) I just think it's a really stupid idea.

[Kevin]

I'm concerned about the bad faith use of this thing. My fear is that in the minds of jurors, the device creates a presumption of non-consent. It very well could be the case that a woman "consents" to sex merely to frame a man for rape.

The prosecution would be delighted to use this device as "Exhibit A." Who is going to believe the guy that the sex was consensual if the woman had this device and had not removed it?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by AlethiaSi

Oh. so this is where you were getting your rant from last night....
i understand what you are saying, however, there are a number of men out there who do violate women, and abuse them (verbally, sexually, physically) and women have a responsibility to protect themselves. chivalry is just about dead and everything that goes along with it, and women need to be aware of their surroundings and be smart about the situations they put themselves into.

"A number"?

Of course, chivalry and rape are about as related as asparagus and little league baseball . . . I do agree that women should be smart and protect themselves, but don't you feel that part of the feminist movement is moving beyond a state of fear and subservient, second-class status (such as, say, being fearful of all men and all situations, and instead fostering an environment of equality, safety and respect)?

Originally Posted by AlethiaSi

I am a feminist, but I also think that we teach people how to treat us (to quote dr. phil ) and in so many situations men and women allow themselves to get stepped on (myself definately included.... ) and its a process to learn how to keep this from happening....

Sometimes, we teach people how to treat us (although Dr. Phil's advice, while generally correct in a tautological sense, is usually blathering drivel). Sometimes, people are taken advantage of. Women don't get to choose - they do, however, get to choose the environment they foster. An environment with razor blades in their vaginas does not scream 'positive' to me.

Originally Posted by AlethiaSi

HOWEVER

there are a great many victims, regardless of what they have done or not done and this is still an awful fact.

so... in conclusion, i think the availability of such a device could potentially help some but could also could be used in such a way that is detrimental to others (that don't deserve it).

So . . . in conclusion, you have no conclusion?

This is just a horrible idea on every level - even on the 'philosophical' level you wanted to bring it to. Who would it help? Seriously, who?

Piggybacking the majority - THE RAPE (AND VIOLATION) HAS ALREADY HAPPENED BY THE TIME RAZOR MEETS PENIS.

Rape, while a sex crime, is not a crime that is about sex - and the victim's subsequent issues are not really related to sex specifically, but rather violation. How are these problems obviated? This is even beyond the reality of "rapist punches woman in the face" in the case of violent rape . . . and for acquaintance rape, well, walking around with the anti-rape condom seems like a poor substitute for a healthy living environment, but I'm no Dr. Phil.

[OneTimeSBX]

seems a bit like a punishment from the very start. would i want my rapist to suffer? sure do! but not like that...i would want him off the streets, in jail, etc. Maiming his "cash and prizes" isnt gonna stop the truly sick ones (pretty much all of them) because rape isnt about sex, it is about power. they are gonna start groping around checking for it first and then continue. they will get injured, be super upset, and keep at it. i dont think it will stop anything.

ladies, do like i did. mace, taser, 9 mm. i can do a lot more damage than some anti-rape condom...

[AlexMack]

Sorry...good idea in South Africa, stupid idea here. Though honestly, those rape defense courses piss me off too. As a martial artist, I know that if you do not practice regularly, you start to lose anything you've learnt. It makes the courses redundant, kind of like learning CPR but never having to use it.

Here is my patented rape defense course, one easy session, all you need to know:
1. Yell fire instead of rape.
2. Kick the guy as hard as you can in the balls. He's not going to rape you if he can't use it and he's definitely not coming after you when he's doubled over in excruciating pain.
3. If that's not enough, palm-heel to the nose. You will probably hurt yourself punching a guy and it takes awhile to teach a chick how to punch without breaking hand bones. Break his nose.
4. Run away.
5. Profit!!

Basically use your hardest joints and hit him in the most vulnerable areas. Also yell fire and run away. The end.

[JonInKC]

Or consider this scenario: Susie and Billy go out on their first date. Susie wears it b/c she doesn't know Billy well. Susie (and probably Billy) get drunk/stoned. Susie forgets she has it in. Billy is injured. Now Susie faces a lawsuit and/or criminal charges. Do you think Susie will say in court that she consented to sex? Won't people pretty much assume Billy raped her?

[tld221]

Originally Posted by JonInKC

Or consider this scenario: Susie and Billy go out on their first date. Susie wears it b/c she doesn't know Billy well. Susie (and probably Billy) get drunk/stoned. Susie forgets she has it in. Billy is injured. Now Susie faces a lawsuit and/or criminal charges. Do you think Susie will say in court that she consented to sex? Won't people pretty much assume Billy raped her?

we'll just have to find out in the next episode of SVU now wont we?

and i can't imagine a woman would "forget" that she has a razor up her hoohah. its not a Tampax Pearl now.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by JonInKC

Or consider this scenario: Susie and Billy go out on their first date. Susie wears it b/c she doesn't know Billy well. Susie (and probably Billy) get drunk/stoned. Susie forgets she has it in. Billy is injured. Now Susie faces a lawsuit and/or criminal charges. Do you think Susie will say in court that she consented to sex? Won't people pretty much assume Billy raped her?

Well the implication is that she was too stoned to consent, but I don't like that because it ignores the fact that he too, was too stoned to consent

As for non-impaired use of this (from another poster) to claim consentual sex was rape, I think it's incredibly unlikely. And I think if it is consentual you should have noticed before you stuck your penis into her. Just my opinion on that one.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Sorry...good idea in South Africa, stupid idea here. Though honestly, those rape defense courses piss me off too. As a martial artist, I know that if you do not practice regularly, you start to lose anything you've learnt. It makes the courses redundant, kind of like learning CPR but never having to use it.

Here is my patented rape defense course, one easy session, all you need to know:
1. Yell fire instead of rape.
2. Kick the guy as hard as you can in the balls. He's not going to rape you if he can't use it and he's definitely not coming after you when he's doubled over in excruciating pain.
3. If that's not enough, palm-heel to the nose. You will probably hurt yourself punching a guy and it takes awhile to teach a chick how to punch without breaking hand bones. Break his nose.
4. Run away.
5. Profit!!

Basically use your hardest joints and hit him in the most vulnerable areas. Also yell fire and run away. The end.

i totally agree with you. as part of the mentoring org i volunteered with, we had a woman teach a self-defense course to our girls. its great and empowering at the time, but one of our girls brought up a good point that in the moment of being pinned down and what not, i cant imagine you will remember palm-heeling someone to the nose, toes or to jab them in the eyeballs. at best, you'll know to defend yourself, but unless you are using self-defense moves on a regular basis, you'll be a wrigling, screaming mess.

ETA: oh i didnt cllick the link, but once the actual clamping happens, is the guy stuck inside the girl? or does he pull out and run away with a clamp stuck to his penis?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by tld221

i totally agree with you. as part of the mentoring org i volunteered with, we had a woman teach a self-defense course to our girls. its great and empowering at the time, but one of our girls brought up a good point that in the moment of being pinned down and what not, i cant imagine you will remember palm-heeling someone to the nose, toes or to jab them in the eyeballs. at best, you'll know to defend yourself, but unless you are using self-defense moves on a regular basis, you'll be a wrigling, screaming mess.

ETA: oh i didnt cllick the link, but once the actual clamping happens, is the guy stuck inside the girl? or does he pull out and run away with a clamp stuck to his penis?

I believe that the condom comes out with the teeth imbedded in the guy.

[SapphireSphinx9]

Originally Posted by tld221

ETA: oh i didnt cllick the link, but once the actual clamping happens, is the guy stuck inside the girl? or does he pull out and run away with a clamp stuck to his penis?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the website explains that the condom pulls out, once it is attached to the penis... Which then means he will have to go to the doctor to have it removed.

Which doesn't prove how the woman will have DNA evidence that he raped her - if he runs off with the condom, then what does she have to take to the police??