Oklahoma State Alpha Phi Alpha Hazing Charges

[PhrozenGenius]

Excuse my lateness ladygreek. What I was referring to when I said, "Not again" was the hazing in general. I'm sure all of us know that there is a difference between hazing and pledgeing. Hazing, IMO, is a sadistic act perpetrated against a less than willing yet submissive participant for some asinine purpose that has nothing to do with the fraternity.

I'm sick of the :You gotta get beat to be made right mentality" or the "somebody did it to me, so I'm gonna do it to them" mentality. That is utter stupidity.


Alpha gave OSU's chapter 15 years because of the various acitivities that had occured both on and off campus. The shooting off campus, an altercation with another organization at a neophyte presentation, another altercation with the same organization at an off-campus unsanctioned party, and then this. They had stopped being an asset and became a liability. It's a damn shame too...they were a good chapter before this streak of negative stuff.

[gtmacnine]

I think Alpha gave OSU's chapter 5 years, but the University itself banned the chapter for 15 years.

"On Wednesday, the national office of the Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity suspended the group for five years, while the university decided on a suspension three times as long." - Daily O'Colly story

http://www.ocolly.com/read_story.php?a_id=32346

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm not reading it about other GLOs, at least not recently, or that I can remember, and for sure, not in my local paper. Yes, there have been alcohol deaths, and there always will be among college kids. Those often have nothing to do with the organization.

I thought you would find this interesting:
http://www.campuspeak.com/programs/h...gyofDeaths.doc

[Kevin]

Thanks for posting that list.

It's by no means exhaustive, but it does show that hazing is or was pervasive in all of our respective organizations' cultures.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

As dehumanizing and destructive hazing is, to a large extent,in its most characteristic forms, it does seem to manifest itself differently amongst traditionally white and traditionally black Greek-letter organizations. It I hear of a Greek alcohol-related hazing death, I immediately think this is from one of the white groups. If the person dies or is severely injured due to physical beatings,my first thought is that has to do with an NPHC group or,in some cases, another ethnic Greek organization.

Yes, long words and yes, long paragraphs, but I agree with Wolfman. And these "Stereotypes"/Characteristics of the fraternities *are* well known among the leadership in all GLOs and campus administrators.

I disagree with grouping the Sororities with the Fraternities here though. The NPC Sororities, IMO, have supported dry houses more for a sense of avoiding other effects of Sisters being significantly drunk such as rape and public relations with the community. I can't think of the last time I heard of an alcohol related hazing incident at an NPC. Even the stereotypes of Hazing at NPC Sororities (Circling fat on the body) are only likely to lead to death through anorexia...

The NPHC Sororities have issues somewhat similar to the NPHC Fraternities, but again a pale shadow.


I'm not really sure what broken the tradition in the NIC of using paddles on pledges, the 1960s? Some of the groups I've seen with "Paddles", I'd be hard pressed to figure out how to hit a pledge with one without injuring myself.

And as for ethnic, I think that primarily applies to the Hispanic groups, but I don't know enough about the South Asian and East Asian ethnic groups. (I'm on the East Coast). I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to the older Ethnic Jewish Groups like AEPi, which in practices appear to be almost identical to the other traditionally white group.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by naraht

I disagree with grouping the Sororities with the Fraternities here though. The NPC Sororities, IMO, have supported dry houses more for a sense of avoiding other effects of Sisters being significantly drunk such as rape and public relations with the community. I can't think of the last time I heard of an alcohol related hazing incident at an NPC. Even the stereotypes of Hazing at NPC Sororities (Circling fat on the body) are only likely to lead to death through anorexia...

Not true at all. The primary reason NPC sororities support dry fraternities because it leads to lower liability all around.

(insert some witty comment about how an NPHC'er shouldn't be commenting on how my council works)

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Not true at all. The primary reason NPC sororities support dry fraternities because it leads to lower liability all around.

(insert some witty comment about how an NPHC'er shouldn't be commenting on how my council works)

He did say "in my opinion"..... based on the available publicity, I'd have to agree with him.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Not true at all. The primary reason NPC sororities support dry fraternities because it leads to lower liability all around.

(insert some witty comment about how an NPHC'er shouldn't be commenting on how my council works)

Is Naraht a NPHC'er? I see the APO siggy, no nphc siggy.

[Senusret I]

^^Yeah, that too.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

Is Naraht a NPHC'er? I see the APO siggy, no nphc siggy.

Oh, my mistake on that one.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Oh, my mistake on that one.

No problem. You aren't the first one to look at Alpha Phi Omega and see Alpha Phi Alpha (If that is the mistake you made). I went to a (in my wife's words) "Geeky White Tech School" (Carnegie-Mellon in Pittsburgh), but have picked up quite a bit of NPHC knowledge over the years looking at how Alpha Phi Omega is different on campuses where the NPHC controls the yard.

Given what you did say, I do wonder whether it would be cheaper for the NPC sororities if FIPG were split in half. I'd love to see some sort of information as to payouts by FIPG between NIC and NPC...

[Laak 315]

I really wanna know what the deal is with Alpha Phi Alpha down there in Stillwater...First there was the shooting that left a guy dead, now there are these charges...why are they still on campus?

[OSUOldGold]

Just to clarify what was previously quoted from the newspaper in Oklahoma. The poster has mistakenly combined two separate and totally unrelated incidents. The murder of the fraternity member from the University of Oklahoma took place in 2006. The tragedy took place at an off-campus party that was NOT sponsered by the fraternity, although many fraternity members, including myself, were in attendance.

The recent hazing incident, unfortunate as it may be, was in no way related to and should the senseless killing of a young man by an individual only because he was denied entrance to the party. The young man that was killed was named Paul Shanor.

[OSUOldGold]

Laak 315....

The "deal" with the Alpha Phi Alpha chapter "down there in Stillwater" is the same as with greater that 90% of greek lettered organizations on campuses across America. First of all, the shooting that happened in 2006 was perpetrated by a criminal in no affilitated with any GLO or school for that matter. That particular incident is more of a testament to crime in this country than the activities of a group of college kids.

As far as the hazing, no one should condone it but it goes on on all campuses and in the majority of GLOs, in some form. These young men just happened to make a mistake and get caried away and subsequently "caught".

[Senusret I]

But who are you?