?*PAPER MADE*??? - Page 2

nonchalant · #1 03-18-2007, 12:17 PM

Excuse me for coming in as a non-Greek and putting my two cents in. I felt as if I wanted to comment because the topic interested me a whole lot. For those who have read my previous post before when I was outted about my mishap back in 2001 due to someone posting a PM I sent them, you can see why I commented here. I am very aware of the MIP process. Especially pertaining to one particular organization and how it works. There is a big controversy with certain members of organizations who feel that being 'paper' is not the right way to go which leads to you not being respected by those individuals and lacking pertinent information pertaining to your organization. Trust, I know this first hand. A lot of my friends are Greek and know my situation. I know their stories as well. Anyway, MIP is what it is. However, we all know that hazing/pledging still does exist. I have a friend that just went through her MIP process, received her letters, and was asked if she wanted to be pledged to continue her knowledge process. She called me and asked me what to do. I told her no. I educated her that she is already a recognized member. Anything that she doesn't know, she can obtain the information via her sorors or another source. To make a long story short, she ended up not learning a whole lot of information about her organization within that short period of time. She knew nothing of the unofficial symbols and what they stood for. She didn't know how to hold her hand sign and barely knew the handshake. She didn't know important points of the history of her organization. Hell, she didn't even get her history book for over 3 months after she was pinned. With all this being said, she felt that she did not want to attend any sorority functions. What if she was to be challenged by a soror and was not able to answer a question? That is a very uncomfortable feeling. However, she is learning all things she has lacked via MIP. She is becoming more comfortable and more educated daily. However, you have to find open-minded people within an organization that will teach you things you have missed out on that they may feel you should have learned during your process. She has ran into some of her sorors that felt she should have learned this information in MIP, and they wouldn't educate her. Yep, that's sisterhood all right. All in all, I feel there is nothing wrong with being paper. You'll earn respect as you go along and continue learning for the rest of your life. After all, you are joining the organization because you are fond of its foundation/principles. You shouldn't join it because you don't want to be paper. That's just a term people made up. You will still be part of the organization. Don't let the stereotypes of the organization make you. Let your morals and good deeds help make the organization.

Good luck OneLovve in any and everything that you are trying to achieve. If your heart is really in the organization, it shouldn't matter how you make it in nor what chapter you go through. If that really matters to you, then you should rethink trying to join. If not, you shouldn't let anything/anyone discourage you.

OneLovve · #2 03-05-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

And I hope that's exactly what your rejection letter says.

OKay Imma need for you to shut the hell up. U gave me input now kick rocks! THANKS...

everyone else thanks again

Drolefille · #3 03-05-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OneLovve

OKay Imma need for you to shut the hell up. U gave me input now kick rocks! THANKS...

everyone else thanks again

OMG KICKING ROCKS!

Senusret I · #4 03-05-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OneLovve

OKay Imma need for you to shut the hell up. U gave me input now kick rocks! THANKS...

everyone else thanks again

Bitch, please. I have my letters, you have an ellipsis.

Dionysus · #5 03-05-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OneLovve

OKay Imma need for you to shut the hell up.

My pledge daughter always say the same thing.

That would be funny if this was her.

jojapeach · #6 03-05-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

And I hope that's exactly what your rejection letter says.

CTHU!!!

I nominate this for "Funniest Thread of the Week", and not just for the commentary.

Akception · #7 03-06-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

And I hope that's exactly what your rejection letter says.

lmao.....

litAKAtor · #8 03-05-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

If the chapter is great in volunteer work, helping the school, helping the community, then guess what?

They're doing their dayum job!

VERY well said!!

mulattogyrl · #9 03-05-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

Guess what toots?

LMAAAO @ this alone

dc181 · #10 03-05-2007, 08:57 PM

ROTFLMAO, No you aren't alone!!!

1908Revelations · #11 03-05-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OneLovve

Hi! I am a current college student and very interested in Greek Life. I've done my research, found info, and found the sorority that I feel is right for me. But there is one problem. The active chapter at my school are known as "paper made". I've been informed that paper made means they have not been "MADE"(I'm hoping we all know what this means), they have only went through the RUSH and/or paper process. Now I've thought about this and decided that I do not want to represent a chapter that gets no respect and I want to actually earn letters. I do not plan on transferring soon, so I was wondering what could be done to stop this process and actually have a good name within this chapter? How can these speculations against this chapter be changed? The chapter is great in volunteer work, helping our school, surrounding schools and the community but they have that one flaw which will stand out greatly with other chapters and sororties/fraternities. Help please!

I will simply say this....several interested ladies at my school were having a discussion about this right after we attended RUSH. The spoke very boldly about how 'paper' sucks and so on....but, I bet getting paper with regrets sucks more than being 'paper'.

I do not give a rats ass about what anyone has to say about me or my Sorors, because who is running it on my campus....we are! No, I am not saying this to boast, but we are not only in many orgs, but hold leadership positions in them as well. I hope that the prestige of the organization means more, but I doubt it since you said that, 'they have that one flaw...'

Also, there are hundreds of thousands of members in the D9 sororities, so do you think that any one of them will change their process because of one person (or a few)? Probably not.

RedVelvet · #12 03-11-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

I am going to say this as nicely as I possibly can:

You don't deserve sorority membership.

If the chapter is great in volunteer work, helping the school, helping the community, then guess what?

They're doing their damn job!

Right now, rush and a "paper" process is more than YOU have, now isn't it? They are following the rules of their organization with integrity while you sit on the outside.

You think "rush" is a cakewalk? You think that earning the vote of a chapter is easy? Guess what toots? It ain't. I know PLENTY of "qualified" women who waited ten years or more for an invitation to an alumnae chapter -- women who thought they were shoo-ins as undergrads. Heck, some women COULD have made it, if not for a missing transcript or a delayed postman.

So you think gaining a majority vote is easy.....no, not a simple majority, but sometimes a 2/3 majority? Or even a 3/4 majority?

Good luck. I hope if you DO make it, you wake up and realize how beautiful MIP can be, rather than finding out ways to undermine it. Chicks like you get chapters snatched for being stupid and LOOKING for trouble.

There it is.

So_Sweet720 · #13 03-03-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OneLovve

Hi! I am a current college student and very interested in Greek Life. I've done my research, found info, and found the sorority that I feel is right for me. But there is one problem. The active chapter at my school are known as "paper made". I've been informed that paper made means they have not been "MADE"(I'm hoping we all know what this means), they have only went through the RUSH and/or paper process. Now I've thought about this and decided that I do not want to represent a chapter that gets no respect and I want to actually earn letters. I do not plan on transferring soon, so I was wondering what could be done to stop this process and actually have a good name within this chapter? How can these speculations against this chapter be changed? The chapter is great in volunteer work, helping our school, surrounding schools and the community but they have that one flaw which will stand out greatly with other chapters and sororties/fraternities. Help please!

This topic is a little more cut and dry than just a yes or no answer. You basically have to do what you feel is right for YOU. Don't sell yourself short and don't comprise what you really want to do for anyone. Some people will say that if the chapter is doing their jobs in all other aspects of the org that it shouldn't matter if they are "paper" or not, but that can be so untrue. I say "can" be untrue for the simple fact that at times being "made" matters while other times it doesn't. I know of "paper" chapters in my area that are known for being paper and get clowned at some of the events they attend.....and this included their own probate/coming out show. The clowning doesn't always come from outside the org b/c certain members of their own org wore roller skates to the probate show! So regardless what anyone says....it's deeper than ignoring the names and jokes. On the other hand, sometimes no one gives a flying fart if you were "made" or not as long as you are serving the org. If you have any doubt my opinion is don't do it. If it means that much to you to have a "real" process, wait until you transfer and join then. Hope this helps......

OneLovve · #14 03-03-2007, 06:01 PM

Thanks for the input everyone.
And there is NO NEED to be rude....calm down PLEASE.

AChiOhSnap · #15 03-03-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OneLovve

Thanks for the input everyone.
And there is NO NEED to be rude....calm down PLEASE.

I hope you understand that I'm not being rude in pointing out how presumtuous and not humble you came across by criticizing a chapter of the organization you HOPE to join. Senusret is right. You are an outsider and not really in a position to speculate on whether or not you'll "have a good name within this chapter."

I'm not in an NPHC, but I think being pissed off at the notion that a prospective new member would be so ballsy as to criticize the way our organizations and INITIATED members run things is universal.