Frat brothers get prison for paddling pledge

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It's never happened to me but I've had earaches before and all I can think of is DAMN that would hurt like hell. Worse than bruises for me.

It does. My ex got a bad infection and ended up having his ear drum burst. He actually cried. And pain doesn't get to him...he's a pain junkie. It was bad.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

It does. My ex got a bad infection and ended up having his ear drum burst. He actually cried. And pain doesn't get to him...he's a pain junkie. It was bad.

owwwwww, i'm cringing

[Judgemitch]

44 states have laws prohibiting hazing. Every state has a law prohiting the intentional, negligent, or reckless injury of another person. Many of those hazing laws, Florida included, specifically state that the "victim's" consent is not a defense. Why?

We tell every prospective member that we do not haze. This creates in the mind of that person a belief that we will not hurt them. We also tell them that they must trust us. The combination of a promise and the requirement to trust results in a reliance that no harm will come.

Civil courts in many parts of the country have also opined that one cannot "consent" to a harmful activity when in the process of trying to fit in, be a part of the group, and proving oneself.

The bottom line is that no matter what you or I may believe SHOULD be allowed, hazing is prohibited by every campus, every glo and the civil laws of every state and the criminal laws of most.

Judge Mitch Crane
Sigma Phi Epsilon

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

I've read a million policies on hazing from the school, glos, etc. It seems like the "hazee" is also held responsible if they allow the event to occur, but to a lesser extent. I think that's fair. (I also think "hazing" encompasses things that should not be considered hazing, but bodily harm most certainly should.) I love my sisters, but you better believe during my term as a new member if I had been physically hurt, been forced to do things that affected my school work, been forced to publically humiliate myself, they wouldn't have been able to get my to participate. I'd be out of there in a heart beat.

Yes, this is what I was thinking --- the policies I have seen of various campuses and groups all have consequences for both hazers and "hazees". I didn't understand how the legal system had it set up, since apparently it only punishes one side (and IMO, hazing cannot exist without two sides). Judge Mitch, thank you for your explanation --- that was very informative and helped a lot!

[Tom Earp]

Consent among so called Adults is not always a defense especially when a person is either violated or harmed.

In this case, "The Pledges/Pledge" were harmed!

it is usually stated by either the School or The GLO that Hazing is not allowed!

This is basically assault or bodily harm on a person. If it is with a weapon such as a paddle, then it is with a weapon and a felony. That makes it prison time!

Now I am sure these members will come out of prison worse than when they went in!

Not smarter but vindictive.

[macallan25]

Tom, good Lord.......read the two posts above you. They weren't talking about "consent" as defense for the hazers. They were shedding light on the fact that both the hazers and the one who gets hazed can get into trouble on some campuses.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Tom, good Lord.......read the two posts above you. They weren't talking about "consent" as defense for the hazers. They were shedding light on the fact that both the hazers and the one who gets hazed can get into trouble on some campuses.

No stuff, they are in prison!

So, what the heck is your problem?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

No stuff, they are in prison!

So, what the heck is your problem?

"I'll tell you my problem.......you not getting the ball in the hole." -Bob Barker


I don't even know why I respond to you. Your comprehension skills are about as good as a dead prairie dog.

[Tom Earp]

WOW, is this a mind set physco test?

[valkyrie]

Speaking of Bob Barker, please remember to spay and neuter your crazy people.

Also, I think it's ridiculous that the law doesn't allow adults to consent to being hazed and paddled if that's what they're into.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

Also, I think it's ridiculous that the law doesn't allow adults to consent to being hazed and paddled if that's what they're into.

ZIPPY ZAMBONI!!

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

WOW, is this a mind set physco test?

Yes, this is a physco test.

[Tom Earp]

And, I am Impresseedeed!

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

And, I am Impresseedeed!

What does that feel like?

[Tom Earp]

Go To Your Doctor and Bend Over!

See if He can find anything that resembles brians from where He may stick his thremommyator!