Your Thoughts: Day Without Immigrants-Boycott

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
I agree with Rudey .........and that scares me.

Me, too!

[f8nacn]

Originally posted by Rudey
But then they had a Mexican guy on tv who said his family had been here for 30 years and worked hard to come here and become citizens, sacrificed, and didn't think illegals are entitled to the rewards without going through all that.

-Rudey

See this is what it takes...SACRIFICE...no matter how long it takes to achieve something that you want. Citizenship in America is a process and these people, no matter where they come from, need to WORK. I know several people who have fought the good fight of faith in obtaining US Citizenship and won! It's just bothersome knowing that some people ignore the process.

[firecracker08]

Maybe I'm the voice of dissent. People seek out this country because of the opportunity. What bothers me about the discussion is that if there were illegal immigrants from France, or Russia, there wouldn't be a discussion about it. They would be able to come in and assimilate. But for people of a darker hue, everywhere the obstacles are greater, the racism is more apparent. Listening to NPR yesterday, the report said that there were children at the march, people peacefully protesting for their rights. Does this sound familiar at all?

It seems to me that the African American community is being pitted against the Latino community. What better way to keep low income/middle income people from talking about class related issues than to make them squabble over immigration issues. Normally, politicians don't care about low income blacks and their access to health care and schools. But now, some politicians are so concerned with the downtrodden black man because those are day laboring jobs now being taken by the undocumented aliens from Central America. Give me a break!

The issue is becoming politicized much like the gay marriage issue(another thread) to encourage blacks to fight against other ethnic and sexual orientation groups. This country typically could give a damn what happens to black America except when they need someone to fight against someone else.

Honestly, I'm a little jealous of the ability of immigrants to stand together regardless of country of nationality and fight against the legislation. It would be nice if the Black community could unite together with issues that bring people together not tear them apart.

Yall got me typing fast and breathin hard over here.

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by firecracker08
Maybe I'm the voice of dissent. People seek out this country because of the opportunity. What bothers me about the discussion is that if there were illegal immigrants from France, or Russia, there wouldn't be a discussion about it. They would be able to come in and assimilate. But for people of a darker hue, everywhere the obstacles are greater, the racism is more apparent. Listening to NPR yesterday, the report said that there were children at the march, people peacefully protesting for their rights. Does this sound familiar at all?

It seems to me that the African American community is being pitted against the Latino community. What better way to keep low income/middle income people from talking about class related issues than to make them squabble over immigration issues. Normally, politicians don't care about low income blacks and their access to health care and schools. But now, some politicians are so concerned with the downtrodden black man because those are day laboring jobs now being taken by the undocumented aliens from Central America. Give me a break!

The issue is becoming politicized much like the gay marriage issue(another thread) to encourage blacks to fight against other ethnic and sexual orientation groups. This country typically could give a damn what happens to black America except when they need someone to fight against someone else.

Honestly, I'm a little jealous of the ability of immigrants to stand together regardless of country of nationality and fight against the legislation. It would be nice if the Black community could unite together with issues that bring people together not tear them apart.

Yall got me typing fast and breathin hard over here.

I see your point. BUT. This issue applies to ALL immigrants not just Latinos. In my neck of the woods, an immigrant is more likely to be Russian/Eastern European or Asian/Indian. EYE don't care where you came from, the policy should be the same. If the policy is NOT the same, then that is where the legislation should aim to make a level playing field for all.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by firecracker08
Maybe I'm the voice of dissent. People seek out this country because of the opportunity. What bothers me about the discussion is that if there were illegal immigrants from France, or Russia, there wouldn't be a discussion about it. They would be able to come in and assimilate. But for people of a darker hue, everywhere the obstacles are greater, the racism is more apparent. Listening to NPR yesterday, the report said that there were children at the march, people peacefully protesting for their rights. Does this sound familiar at all?

It seems to me that the African American community is being pitted against the Latino community. What better way to keep low income/middle income people from talking about class related issues than to make them squabble over immigration issues. Normally, politicians don't care about low income blacks and their access to health care and schools. But now, some politicians are so concerned with the downtrodden black man because those are day laboring jobs now being taken by the undocumented aliens from Central America. Give me a break!

The issue is becoming politicized much like the gay marriage issue(another thread) to encourage blacks to fight against other ethnic and sexual orientation groups. This country typically could give a damn what happens to black America except when they need someone to fight against someone else.

Honestly, I'm a little jealous of the ability of immigrants to stand together regardless of country of nationality and fight against the legislation. It would be nice if the Black community could unite together with issues that bring people together not tear them apart.

Yall got me typing fast and breathin hard over here.

Wow. I'm amazed at this posters ability to take a non-(black)-racist issue and turn it into one. I'm not saying that blacks cannot have an opinion or be involved with "the cause" on either side of the issue, but IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT blacks vs. whites vs. hispanics. I'm sorry if anyone disagrees, but this subject is personal to me. I have a ton more I would like to say, but I can't phrase it right now to say exactly what I want to say and not have people read more into it then what I really mean. So I'm just going to leave it at that for right now.

[GHOST_WOLF]

After giving it much thought, I've come to believe that this is not a race issue but a class issue. If you pay close attention to immigrants in our country, a good majority reap the benefits of our system more than the average american. Why? Because they know how hard it is in their country and they take advantage of the opportunities. The reason why I say that this is a class issue is because the middle class financial gap is shrinking and I'm predicting that it will be widen out due to the influx of immigrants. Has anyone ever notice that they only invest in their own? Around here, Latins come here make money, send it back home, and invest the rest here in their own family. It doesn't immediately go back into the market (which is very smart). As a result they tend to "come up" a lot faster. The same thing with Asians, Russians, and other Europeans. They take advantage of the opportunity and that becomes a problem to a lot of Americans who waste theirs because immigrants literally take over neighborhoods with large numbers and active participation. There's a county in Alabama where 10 years ago I would ride through with my uncle and I would see all these latin workers on the road doing roadwork. Now I drive through that same town and they have an elected official, still out there doing the road work, they have stores, and the population there is about half latin and half everything else. It's damn smart if you ask me. That's just my two pennies.

[firecracker08]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Wow. I'm amazed at this posters ability to take a non-(black)-racist issue and turn it into one. I'm not saying that blacks cannot have an opinion or be involved with "the cause" on either side of the issue, but IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT blacks vs. whites vs. hispanics. I'm sorry if anyone disagrees, but this subject is personal to me. I have a ton more I would like to say, but I can't phrase it right now to say exactly what I want to say and not have people read more into it then what I really mean. So I'm just going to leave it at that for right now.

My point is not that this is a black issue. My point is that blacks should stand with the immigrant community as we are all people of color. From the televison programs I have watched, there seems to be concern by politicians about who illegal immigration is affecting, namely but not only low income blacks. And no...I dont listen to everything I see on TV. But....Wow...my point got totally lost.

[Marie]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Wow. I'm amazed at this posters ability to take a non-(black)-racist issue and turn it into one. I'm not saying that blacks cannot have an opinion or be involved with "the cause" on either side of the issue, but IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT blacks vs. whites vs. hispanics. I'm sorry if anyone disagrees, but this subject is personal to me. I have a ton more I would like to say, but I can't phrase it right now to say exactly what I want to say and not have people read more into it then what I really mean. So I'm just going to leave it at that for right now.

Well, AlphaFrog, it really isn't that unheard of for someone to point out the differences in the US immigration policy for various countries. It has been argued for a long time that it it may be more difficult for some people to migrate to this country (like Haitians, and other Carribean Islanders) than others (like Europeans). I'm not getting into the merits of this argument right now, but I am saying that is certainly isn't new and shouldn't immediatedly be dismissed. Also, speaking to your question awhile back of why some topics are discussed in the NPHC forums rather than the general fourms, it was metioned that some people do not care for the reception (or lack thereof) that they receive from posters in those fourms when race is brought up. Perhaps your response is an example of that. It is fine to disagree on this issue, but to blast this poster at the mere mention of race is unnecessary.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by firecracker08
My point is not that this is a black issue. My point is that blacks should stand with the immigrant community as we are all people of color. From the televison programs I have watched, there seems to be concern by politicians about who illegal immigration is affecting, namely but not only low income blacks. And no...I dont listen to everything I see on TV. But....Wow...my point got totally lost.

Maybe I was confused. I guess when I see a post with THREE paragraphs discussing something (how immigration is a black issue) and ONE paragraph discussing something different (black unity) I generally assume the point lies in the most heavily discussed part of the post. And since this was 3:1, that's how I came to the conclusion that it was the main point of the post. My mistake.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by Marie
Well, AlphaFrog, it really isn't that unheard of for someone to point out the differences in the US immigration policy for various countries. It has been argued for a long time that it it may be more difficult for some people to migrate to this country (like Haitians, and other Carribean Islanders) than others (like Europeans). I'm not getting into the merits of this argument right now, but I am saying that is certainly isn't new and shouldn't immediatedly be dismissed. Also, speaking to your question awhile back of why some topics are discussed in the NPHC forums rather than the general fourms, it was metioned that some people do not care for the reception (or lack thereof) that they receive from posters in those fourms when race is brought up. Perhaps your response is an example of that. It is fine to disagree on this issue, but to blast this poster at the mere mention of race is unnecessary.

Just as some of you have "hot issues" this is one with me.

I agree that the immigration policy for different countries is very unfair. It would eliminate POUNDS of red tape for me if my husband was Cuban or Salvadoranian instead of Mexican. But this doesn't have much to do with blacks who are already in this country.

[starang21]

illegal immigrant rights.


sounds like an oxy-moron.

[teena]

How is a country of immigrants going to have issues with immigrants?

[starang21]

Originally posted by teena
How is a country of immigrants going to have issues with immigrants?

because the current law of the land requires them to be documented.

[starang21]

Originally posted by firecracker08
Maybe I'm the voice of dissent. People seek out this country because of the opportunity. What bothers me about the discussion is that if there were illegal immigrants from France, or Russia, there wouldn't be a discussion about it. They would be able to come in and assimilate. But for people of a darker hue, everywhere the obstacles are greater, the racism is more apparent. Listening to NPR yesterday, the report said that there were children at the march, people peacefully protesting for their rights. Does this sound familiar at all?

It seems to me that the African American community is being pitted against the Latino community. What better way to keep low income/middle income people from talking about class related issues than to make them squabble over immigration issues. Normally, politicians don't care about low income blacks and their access to health care and schools. But now, some politicians are so concerned with the downtrodden black man because those are day laboring jobs now being taken by the undocumented aliens from Central America. Give me a break!

The issue is becoming politicized much like the gay marriage issue(another thread) to encourage blacks to fight against other ethnic and sexual orientation groups. This country typically could give a damn what happens to black America except when they need someone to fight against someone else.

Honestly, I'm a little jealous of the ability of immigrants to stand together regardless of country of nationality and fight against the legislation. It would be nice if the Black community could unite together with issues that bring people together not tear them apart.

Yall got me typing fast and breathin hard over here.

you realize that over 80 percent of the illegal immigrant population is hispanic?



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4703307

[SapphireSphinx9]

Originally posted by teena
How is a country of immigrants going to have issues with immigrants?

i think the main point you're missing is: they're ILLEGAL.

is it legal to go and kill someone? no - you get punished for your crime. if you think about it, it's kinda almost along the same lines, because it's the LAW.



don't get me wrong, i have absolutely no problem with immigrants, as long as they're legal. i do, however have a problem with those who are here illegally, and yet seem to have the same benefits that are offered to me. hey, if i have to pay uncle sam 30% of my income, then by God so can everyone else that resides in this country.