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[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by blueangel
Burr, Patterson, and Auld has purchased Masters of Design and Herf Jones.

And yes.. wonderful resource, Jen! I have a few additions as well... under "Professional Sororities and Fraternities:"

Sigma Delta Chi, Society of Professional Journalists
http://www.spj.org/

and

Alpha Epsion Rho, The National Broadcasting Society
http://www.nbs-aerho.org/

Thank god Burr Patt if this is true as, Master of Design were screw ups and made crap!

The reason that Some GLos left IFC National left is because they felt they were getting to Political and doning nothing for NICs in particular.

IFC National it was felt was trying to dictate to the ones who made up the Organization and told them to stick it!

Actually, I think they were right in doing so and Hope Others look at it and either change it or get out also.

Locals are governed by the Local IFC which is covered by the College and will not change unless there are changes that The Colleges will go along with.

[TSteven]

Originally posted by PhoenixAzul
Quick question for our NIC men...was there any particular (public/nonsecret) reason for DKE, Phi Delta Theta and Kappa Sigma withdrawing from the NIC in 2002? I just noticed that they were under "other" organizations? What happens on campuses where they exist beside NIC fraternities? Do they sit on the same council or would they be put with say, Local organizations?

First off, I've said it before and will do so again. Kudos to Ariesrising and her Greek Pages. Job well done.

However, some corrections.

Kappa Sigma, Phi Delta Theta and Phi Sigma Kappa were the three NIC members that withdrew from the NIC. Not sure of the dates, but within the past five years or so.

Delta Kappa Epsilon is still a member of the NIC and the same for Phi Eta Psi. As such, neither should be listed under "other organizations".

For the list of NIC fraternities, you may go to the NIC website and click on *Links* then *Fraternities & Sororities*.


A short answer as to why the three (Kappa Sigma, Phi Delta Theta and Phi Sigma Kappa) left the NIC is, as others have said, they were concerned about the focus and direction of the NIC. For example, dues paid by member fraternities were not being used to advocate the needs of the fraternities to universities and in other areas. (i.e. media, federal, state and local government etc.)

The confusion about who left the NIC may be due to Kappa Sigma and Phi Sigma Kappa - along with Delta Kappa Epsilon, Sigma Alpha Epsilon and Sigma Pi - forming the Fraternity Leadership Association (FLA) to represent them regarding rights and interests of fraternities.

FLA members
(I believe there are more members but not sure)

Delta Kappa Epsilon (NIC member)
Kappa Sigma
Phi Sigma Kappa
Sigma Alpha Epsilon (NIC member)
Sigma Lambda Beta (NIC & NALFO member)
Sigma Pi (NIC member)
Zeta Beta Tau (NIC member)

My understanding is that Phi Delta Theta has not joined the FLA.

And by the way. Over the years, fraternities have joined, left, rejoined and I believe even left again the NIC. So this is really nothing that new. And if the NIC can meet their needs, I wouldn't be surprised if the three didn't rejoin the NIC down the line.

As for IFCs, generally speaking, campus IFCs *now* represent members of the NIC and FLA. I've noticed that many campus IFCs now state so. And as ms_gwyn noted, Kappa Sigma, Phi Delta Theta and Phi Sigma Kappa required their chapters to be a part of the campus IFC. At least that is my understanding.

ETA: IFC membership is not limited to just NIC and FLA fraternities. IFC membership is decided on the campus level.

[ladygreek]

Aeries, I just posted a couple of minor corrections.

[StatPhDSAE]

Originally posted by blueangel
Burr, Patterson, and Auld has purchased Masters of Design and Herf Jones.

And yes.. wonderful resource, Jen! I have a few additions as well... under "Professional Sororities and Fraternities:"

Sigma Delta Chi, Society of Professional Journalists
http://www.spj.org/

and

Alpha Epsion Rho, The National Broadcasting Society
http://www.nbs-aerho.org/

FYI...Its the other way around. Herff Jones bought Burr Patt and MOD, they use the names just to keep some continuity. All of it comes out of the same plant in Providence.

[blueangel]

Originally posted by StatPhDSAE
FYI...Its the other way around. Herff Jones bought Burr Patt and MOD, they use the names just to keep some continuity. All of it comes out of the same plant in Providence.

Thank you for the correction. The representative for Burr, Patterson, and Auld told me of the merge. She said they had aquired all of Masters of Design's dies so they (BPand A) could make anything that I wanted from the old Masters o D catalog.

When I asked about having my Herff Jones college ring re-sized, she said that they had aquired that company as well. Either I misunderstood, or the representative gave me wrong info.

But, I did look up the merge in some business directories, and you are correct... Burr, Patterson, and Auld and Masters are now a division of Herff Jones.

As a side note... I want to add that Masters of Design was a lot more reasonable in price. I design and deal in martial arts jewelry, so I know a bit about pricing. Yes, the price of gold has gone sky high-- but their silver pieces are, in my opinion, unreasonably high. As soon as the aquisition became official, they significantly boosted all of their prices-- from badges to bracelets to charms.

I have since found a wonderful jewelry store in New York City which has crown charms... as well as dophins, turtles, and just about anything else! They're a bit more reasonably priced.

[TSteven]

Originally posted by ariesrising
If you click on the About the NIC and then Who We Are and What We Do, it doesn't list Phi Eta Psi as a member. Anyone know for sure if Phi Eta Psi is in the NIC or not??

Interesting that the NIC website lists Phi Eta Psi under the 'fraternity links', yet not under 'who we are'. Obviously one of those lists needs to be corrected.

For what it is worth, most of the listings I've seen (also tried google search of "Phi Eta Psi" and "NIC") usually list Phi Eta Psi as an NIC member. However, they may be outdated as well.